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fil2 24-Jul-2006 08:58

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Originally Posted by CK
cant we then have Snett revised and have the usual 2 std races there instead?

Rider reps - this was on the entry forms for Snett(even if it was a mistake) any chance that you could poss ask for this if it is a 'non-starter' to get Donny altered?

C :)


NO.......i disagree .....................leave snetterton as it is 1 race

skidlids 24-Jul-2006 09:03

And very similar to NG, they also run without any full time staff and therefore do not have the salary bill of New Era, their club membership fees were again unchanged this year for what must be the 4th year running. Pembrey is still £75 a day entry for 2 races and a practice, with extra classes at £40, this is the same as the entry fees for Darley Moor on the weekend of the Donington DD meet.
Practice on Sundays is restricted to Sunday only entries and fallers from Saturday that have been back through scrutineering.
As can be seen from posts on the board those that have raced before at club level are more than happy to race with the likes of DP and NG as they feel they get a better deal compared to the likes of NE and Bemsee

fil2 24-Jul-2006 09:05

with 3 days to get yer money back...has the " RC " got any official feedback Kev........................

>??

skidlids 24-Jul-2006 09:21

Not yet Phil
I got a email yesterday from a MT member on the RC who has been away for the last few days saying they are happy to contact New Era today to try and sort it out if no official contact had yet been made.
My understanding is that its upto the MT side of the RC to deal with New Era not the reps so there may not yet have been any official contact.

I for one want to know whats happening £180 for 2 races is a bit much, my second class was for DD Class A to try and swell the numbers but if that didn't work I asked them to transfer the entry to SVs so I could test the new bike. One long race for a freshly built untried bike is not what I wanted, a couple of shorter races would have been far better giving a couple of chances to change things between practice and race one and then between race 1 and race 2. Especially if I notice something I'm not happy with on the first lap.

fil2 24-Jul-2006 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidlids
Not yet Phil
I got a email yesterday from a MT member on the RC who has been away for the last few days saying they are happy to contact New Era today to try and sort it out if no official contact had yet been made.
My understanding is that its upto the MT side of the RC to deal with New Era not the reps so there may not yet have been any official contact.

I for one want to know whats happening £180 for 2 races is a bit much, my second class was for DD Class A to try and swell the numbers but if that didn't work I asked them to transfer the entry to SVs so I could test the new bike. One long race for a freshly built untried bike is not what I wanted, a couple of shorter races would have been far better giving a couple of chances to change things between practice and race one and then between race 1 and race 2. Especially if I notice something I'm not happy with on the first lap.


A point that may need raising is the cost of the " second " race at 25 quid per extra race, when there is 2 races..!! but now in affect there is 1 race but twice the lenght...will they charge us more for the extra race on the day.?..i can see my regs with 25 quid to pay on the day.??!?!?!

Phil

MLC Racing 24-Jul-2006 09:45

Racing for New Era
 
One race per meeting!
I understood that the Desmodue race series was run for its members to enjoy racing. We are not racing for a recognised series or for national recognition but for fun!
Half the number of races means half the fun and half as much conversation/banter afterwards.
2 races for me please!!!!

I'm afraid I'll lose concentration half way through, need a pint and a pie like us northern folk do!

ali 24-Jul-2006 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil2
A point that may need raising is the cost of the " second " race at 25 quid per extra race, when there is 2 races..!! but now in affect there is 1 race but twice the lenght...will they charge us more for the extra race on the day.?..i can see my regs with 25 quid to pay on the day.??!?!?!

Phil


I just spoke to Jean at New Era who told me that the extra race (regardless of length) was £25, but I'm sure they'll change their mind if needs be.

She did seem to think that the class was pretty full however so I wouldn't necessarily get in.

fil2 24-Jul-2006 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ali
I just spoke to Jean at New Era who told me that the extra race (regardless of length) was £25, but I'm sure they'll change their mind if needs be.

She did seem to think that the class was pretty full however so I wouldn't necessarily get in.


Great ..NOT....so we may only get to race once then..........!?!..or will they bump us to another class.?.......................

*sigh *

ali 24-Jul-2006 10:08

Been thinking about this over the weekend and still can't quite get my head around it. Lets go back to their rationale:

"This situation arises of course as a result of the increasing number of “Red Flags” that are now being displayed and the time lost is not there to be regained."

Last year we had untimed practise, timed practise and two races. I don't remember a meeting where they had to cancel a race at the end of the day due to stoppages. There may have been meetings where this happened but none that we attended.

This year we start with no timed practise, and lots of us post messages saying "this is borrocks, no warm-up is a dangerous thing". Halfway through the season and NE are concerned that they're getting more red flags. I'd have to say that, if this is the case then it could just have something to do with chucking a bunch of adreneline fuelled nutters out to qualify when the last time most of them saw the track was 12 months ago.....

Next thing we know we're told that the format is moving to qualifying and one race only. So now we have the same problem of no warm-up, but instead of having two races we have only one. This can only lead to more crashes as you only have one chance to get the result you want, and the points you're scoring are twice as important.

Having one 'endurance' style event a year is interesting, it's something you can prepare for, adjust your mindset to, but having them every meet is a nightmare for all the reasons everyone has listed.

Murray Mint 24-Jul-2006 16:16

Well I'm coming out of the woodwork on this issue.

I normally support the MT and RC in their decisions but regarding this current situation I am left wondering just what the club officials are doing, come on guys we need some communication even if its bad news, let us know that you are indeed doing something or as it would appear doing nothing.

Murray Mint

phoenix n max 24-Jul-2006 16:52

Dya know - this is what I will not miss about DD - all this last minute change of goalposts.. Every meeting has been the same.

Mark Hill #36 26-Jul-2006 03:14

has anyone in the MT realised that 50 riders bringing their entries in is enough to cover about a quarter of the circuit hire? (very rough guess)

How much clout does that earn, and they just keep squeezing you....

something's fishy :confused:

skidlids 26-Jul-2006 08:38

Quite right Mark, even with one combined grid plus a few doing races in other classes the DD contribution would be in the region of £5.5k to £6k at this meeting which I would think would cover the cost of 1/7th of the meeting.

With the meeting running from 9am to 6pm and allowing for a 1 hr lunch thas 8 hours track time of which about 1hr 10mins is paid for by DD members.

The DD grid itself puts £5.2k into the meeting so roughly 1/8th of the meetings costs so that should buy 1 hr of track time and what do DD get got the money, 15 min practice and a race that probably takes up about 30mins from taking to the track until last rider is off it.

So either way you look at it DD is getting short changed with 1hr tracktime I'm sure a 10 minute timed practice and two 8 lap races could be fitted in with time to spare and with the format they have now adopted of only one longer race and a 15 min timed practice there should still be enough time left for a 4 lap free practice session

skidlids 19-Aug-2006 20:37

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Originally Posted by skidlids
What I do know is Donington has 40 per grid and on average Superclub runs 10 different grids, maximum income for the meeting at £130 per grid slot would be £52k from 400 competitors
Even if only 200 entered and paid £180 each for 4 races then track hire is almost covered, but as the meeting is over sunscribed then entries for a second class could be returned as over subscribed allowing NE to maximise income while sticking to the normal Superclub 2 race per class format.
So why one race, maybe they are trying to fit in 11 or 12 grids which could add another £9k to there income.


Doesn't look as if I was far off the mark, with just uner 400 competitors at Donny, so thats almost £52k in entries
http://www.neweramcc.org/news/dp13aug06.htm


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