that's the whole point of having the run and moderated by impartial, independent individuals that have nothing to gain from either side.

People should try to be positive about trying to resolve this for the future of DD and DSC

Oy you butt out...............Im Brian!

I am...2006 season is over.....so lets just work out how the dsc people can make 2007 better!!

agreed Stumpy, however until certain issues are aired and put to bed some individuals will feel that 2007 will not be any better.

You don't have to dwell on things to put them in the open, discus them and move on.

If this is controlled then there is no reason for this to drag up old issues that are history and cannot be changed. It may however be chance for a wider audience to understand why certain changes are proposed forr 2007.

This year, I would suggest one, maybe two events more than you've been on ;) Unless you know otherwise.

Balance is the key to this. It will happen if the will to do it is there. If not and people with their own agendas continue to whittle on the forums we have every right to question why don't we ?

If I may be so bold ...

IMO the key to this is not trying to control what people can and can't say. Lets have EVERYTHING out in the open, dealt with, resolved and we can all move on.

Transparency transparency transparency ....

bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger :lol: :lol:

Tony, you will have to have some control as certain people will never be satisfied with some answers and there are some things that will not or cannot have a resolution, they are just things that took place. Yes they can be explained but they cannot be changed.

It's the chance to ask for explantion if required, but not to bully or throw personal insults if something/someone does not agree with you.

In your line of work you must come across this regularly and things are discussed and then people move on and try not to repeat the same mistakes.

Easy Lily! I haven't said anything to contradict what you've said here! I think it's fair enough.

Contrary to popular belief, it's not a witch hunt for me. I know things can't be changed I just want to make sure they aren't repeated and we can't really do that without knowing the real story.

That's all :)

Nah.........Dads army Hodges V Captain mainwaring, give me a bit longer and I'll do the casting:D

Ray

Have to agree and at least this meeting is open to all members.

It won't just be the riders with questions they want answered, I'm sure some on the MT will raise some as well, I know I've got a few.

Ideal chance to clear the air IMHO.

Fascinating,

can someone explain in real simple terms what's going on?

Have we forgot(and I came in a lot later) put me right if i'm wrong please!

1, Three or four guys set up a club off the back of another club (when things like this started to go on).

2,Those 3 0r 4 guys put a lot of hardwork into making this club work!

3, members pay to join,

4, some members then want to become managers of the club and change it! (once all the hard work has been done)

5, The members who cant change things into what and how they want the club to be, start crying!

6 The members of the club want to go racing?

7 The club then seems to become a DD club

8 The non racing members get upset and ****ed off ! (not suprisingly)

MT RC MRC WMPT what a load of B.o.l.o.x
It's a furking bike club

The people make it work !

Mavs simple solution (because i'm simple)

DD is now a proven enterty ( New DD club needed) funded by DD racers and sponsers.

DSC Bike club funded by DSC members who should have a say where and how the subscriptions are spent !

Freedom of speach unless it's a personal insult (moderators job)


acces all area's by means of membership !
Otherwise you only get to read posts and not reply!
(and yes I have sent my membership form back with payment!)

I think 2 things might happen !

1, loads of new members or
2, No club .

wadaya think?

uncle mav

I surprisingly agree with the above.

To me DD should be run by "a branch" of the DSC, a club within the club. Let's call it the DDSC just the time of my explaination.
The DDSC would be owned by the DSC. Any member of the DDSC would automatically be a member of the DSC, but it wouldn't work the other way round (like DSC and DOC...).

When new members join, they've got the choice of giving their dosh to the DSC or the DDSC, whether they care or not about the racing stuff. In that way DSC members would be sure their money has nothing to see with the racing, even if I believe it's already the case today.

Then members of the DDSC (racers, bike owners, fans, people who care about the racing stuff) would elect a Racing Committe. I don't think there would be the need of an MT, unlike for the DSC. The DDSC RC would deal with all the racing issues, the DSC MT dealing with the club's other issues.

And if one day things go wrong for any reason, the DSC MT has power to stop DD overnight by destroying the DDSC.

In that way, I can see:

- no breakaway from the DSC,
- no commitment towards DD from the DSC members who don't want,
- help for DD from the DSC members who do want,
- an MT running a bike club,
- an RC running a racing club.

Couldn't that work and please everybody?

Amazingly enough fella... that was pretty much what i said at the meeting on Sauturday night and the 'Evo group' agreed to.

All the riders present were more than happy with that.

I like that but it's far too simple and easy to ever happen.

I agree, a great idea.

not really a great idea tony !
just some good old fashioned common sence !

mav

this is funny . . .
 

sounds like a well known Monty Python sketch to me - committee's, meetings about meetings, censorship, the pfJ, the jpf . . . . blah blah blah

race or ride - its that simple isnt it?

ego is the word - the undooer of all things that were good!

Khushy

btw - my name's Brian!!!

Don't see why not Tonio-interesting ideas bring them to the meeting?

John

I may have to ask Eamonn to reinstate the filter if you are going to keep using that word young Perrin-now sit in the corner on the naughty chair.:lol:

John

Noooooooooo!!!!!!! :D


Room for a little one? :p

bugger

I'll definitely try to be there. I do want the club to be as it was when I first joined it.

What about holding the meeting in Dorking? Sound central enough to me :lol:

Never going to organise it to be close to everyone but I thought Postcombe would be fairly central ? They have a room we could use.

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...ltimap.y= 161

:lol:



although I guess at least it's near to a motorway so accessible may be a better description than Central ;)

Well put Young Mav and Petit-Jeune Tonio.
You are both describing a step on the 'evolution' path that the huge majority voted for at cadwell.

I'll happily give you a lift to the meeting btw tonio.

Sounds reasonable to me !
Nice and near a motorway.
It takes me an hour to get to the nearest motorway cos there are so many speed limits and villages dahn sarf.
I guess it'll be 1.5 - 2 hour drive for me / tonio / murray.

Postcombe sounds good to me... I guess I wouldn't like the idea as much if I was a Northerner...


I'll be pleased to accept Phill :)

Let's get things moving forward with that meeting.

I DO hope everybody concerned will be present, by that I mean the current MT/RC but also people whose opinions differ the most from those of the current MT/RC (the "evo" group). Otherwise it will just be pointless if only neutral people like me attend. And boring. :lol:

You'd hope so Ian not exactly central to people is it!!!Have it at knockhill instead........

probably about 4 - 4.5 for Ian if he gets a 'great' run hence his reply I would imagine... :lol:

But less interruption of the drinking !!.

central
 

i think this is as central as it gets! excluding scotland and wales
sorry boys
http://www.covkid.org.uk/page50.html


good roads to and from

Yea thats a bit more central than errr The south.
If its in cov i have a chance of being there, if its postcombe ferkin forget it.
Glyn

Right then......... Everybody who wants to attend send me your postcode and we'll work out where the most central point is from that. No point considering the wild extremities of the country if people aren't travelling from them is there ? Hows that ?

Thinks.............just need to get Shazzam and that guy from Switzerland to sign up to it and we can have a nice weekend jolly to Lanzarotte :D :D

just checking i haven't been embroiled or implicated .... i am normally .. :(

seems very dictatorial.

oh, and JPM for President ....

SAy it in a northern accent Tony, that'll fool any filter, so try bugga instead

Early Friday Funny !
 

Apologies for going off topic but despite requests to add 'bugger' to the swear filter there are perfectly ligitimate uses for the word, so well done with your use of French language - Tonio will be proud of you.

Definition with thanks to http://www.wikipedia.org


Bugger

Etymology

From Old French bougre, originally meaning "heretic" from the Medieval Latin Bulgarus meaning Bulgarian (seen as heretics because they were not of the Catholic faith, but Eastern Orthodox Christians).


Transitive verb

to bugger (buggered)

1. (slang, vulgar) to have anal intercourse with someone
2. (slang, coarse) to ruin (something) This computer is buggered!

Translations

• French: empaffer (1)

Noun

bugger

1. (slang, coarse) an insulting term for a person or thing

Translation

• Spanish: majadero, jodón, fregón, fastidio

Interjection

bugger!

1. (slang, coarse) expressing annoyance Oh bugger!

:lol:

bulgarian that! ;)

Oh merde-this board is going all european.:lol:

John

Interesting that the Spanish have four different words for bugger. Makes you wonder why that is ... ;)