That's great news PJ. I'll look forward to it.

Who will be Chair at the meeting?

I'd like to propose that as you've shown an interst in this you could to do it.

Will you take this on for us ?

What consideration was given to those who've already volunteered?

Thanks Paul!

Once again any offer I put forward to try and help the DSC gets ignored...

ahh the joys of being invisible ;)

Sorry Lily, no offence intended and I sincerely thank you for your offer !! How about a team doing it or a vote on who does it ? I've got no axe to grind and don't want to influence the decision in any way !!!!!

How about the people who turn up on the day vote on it ? Any way it can be fairer than that ?

As far as I'm concerned whoever chairs it we will discuss all the issues raised.

Did you read my previous comments regarding it being a team effort, chaired by one person with a small group of unbiased, impartial, independent moderators that are able to control the meeting whilst still letting people have their say?

If the chair/team is voted on the day I think it may just delay the proceedings and you may not get anyone impartial turning up which in itslef would make things difficult.

Can't believe I just read that :confused:

I've read every post on this thread and have really appreciated the input, interest and consideration that's been given to my idea of having the meeting. My concern is that it all gets too complex when really it is an open forum meeting which shouldn't need to much policing. All will be heard and it surely just needs someone to take some impartial minutes for later reference and someone to call a bit of order if anybody gets too excited ?.

I'll listen to anyone else's views on how we run it of course, just my take on it.

I was under the impression that - you - were not ''running'' it in 07 ?

Which is why I said "we" meaning Ducati Sporting Club rather than "I" ?

I'd have thought that my fairly lengthy postings here were fairly self explanatory but I'm happy to discuss them with you if not.

I sent you my phone numbers some time ago so why don't you give me a call and talk through whatever it is you are unsure of ?

Maybe it was this ?

I fail to see the point in telephoning a person who is supposed to be no longer part of the DD and should have no further influence on it and it's future.

Seems to me that all this stuff could be avoided and the club and dd could move on if it were not for the current issues, and they mostly revolve around the rc and mt and ever more evident in todays postings.

I thought this was a club , and as such is governed by certain rules, and it means if folk aren't happy they can elect members to act accordingly.

You seem to be putting yourself forward no matter what.

Not working with the facts here are you ? I've openly advised you all that I won't be involved with running DD next year.

I've just posted here to say that the MT at the meeting on Saturday unanimously requested that I continue with resolving the issues you mention which is why I've called the members meeting.

We will discuss any DD related issues you may have in open, face to face forum. I will be there, I will answer your questions. If you have any questions you wish to ask in the meantime I'm happy for you to give me a call.

If anybody else wants to do the same let me know and I will send you my phone numbers.

I hope this clarifies the matter for you.

That post is exactly the reason I asked you to refrain from being so condescending and patronising in your previous emails and why it did not 'help' any situation :rolleyes:

My turn - please take your head from out of the sand! I hope that clarifies matters for you!

I await your call with interest, or answering your questions at the meeting. If that seems condescending or patronising then I'm sorry.

If you want to call me then put the outcome of our conversation here I'm fine with that.

If there was any chance that this meeting would result in a clearer way forward with all issues resolved and a brighter future free of all this mess then i'd be interested - but it will not. Not while you and others are still involved in it.
THATS my opinion of which i'm entitled to.

Well you are entitled to your opinion but I have to say I usually derive my opinions by listening reasonably to both sides of any argument or issue.

You are looking at this from an entrenched perspective which is what I have been accused of in the past.

You have prejudged the outcome of the meeting and publicly made your somewhat cynical thoughts on this known.

I have to say that such negativity is hardly going to help the situation.

Come to the meeting and ask what you will. If the answer to any question involves me admitting that I've been wrong (which at times I have been) then I will do just that. If I've offended then I will listen to criticism and where relevant apologise.

I will bring along some ideas based on facts rather than supposition about how DD can be improved, I would expect the same courtesy extended to me in that they are heard as I am extending to all of you.

If after that the consensus is that I'm unreasonable and unwilling to listen to the attendees then I will step down from dealing further with DD matters at that point.

Are these the actions of an unreasonable man ?

Pick up the phone and give me a call, you can reverse the charges if you want to.

No - I have prejudged the meeting on the actions of those in control since early this year, and of the state of things now and the fact that despite all things getting progressively worse over the last year the membership has been ignored, the questions not answered constructively and the actions of some of you in particular over the last couple of months.

Give me something to judge otherwise - actions speak louder than words, and frankly the actions of this so called club over the last couple of months have been outrageous!
And you wonder why i'm cynical ? - Give me a reason not to be :rolleyes:

Actions will take place but if not done after considering genuine consensus will only make matters worse. Surely one of your accusations is that I don't listen ?

Come to the meeting, it is your opportunity to state your case and be answered ?.

Got to do some work now but I'm still available on the phone numbers I sent you before.

Mine any many others

Well now you've all got your chance haven't you.

I'm afraid that "many others" have asked me to stay with it next year but I can't due to business committments. It will be great, which class you riding in next year ?

Phone awful quiet today, go on give me a ring.

Hmm resorting to sarcastic personal remarks now ?
Clever :rolleyes:

Perhaps I could find all those who have remarked - except for the fact that many of those threads no longer exist!

And for your information - IF i'm still in the uk then i would be riding in 583 - as I have for the last 2 years :rolleyes:

It's this kind of sarcastic carp that you carry on that alienates people who've otherwise come forward to help.

Lin has responded to you asking her to call you - this persistent badgering is obnoxious and rude.

Leave it out.

Thank You !

So your consistent negativity towards anything I suggest is not obnoxious and rude ? Or am I supposed to just accept that ?

Read some of the previous postings before being so judgmental Tony !

I've been reading the whole lot as it's developed all day. You've been pushing and pushing, there's no excuse.

I stand by what I said.

Negativity based on previous conduct.
I have not been condescending like you in my posts.

And no I will NOT ring you -once again to clarify. I feel that these things are best sorted by who will be in charge next year.

You are entitled to your own point of view.

Do you then agree that the meeting I propose is pointless ? If so you seem to have changed your opinion as you were one of the first to sign up to the idea ?

Continuing this line of dicussion is rather pointless as it is based on supposition, let's see what the true outcome is and all judge from that ?

No wish to fight with any of you, get along to the meeting and lets talk it over.

Yes I am.


Where the hell did that come from? You putting words in my mouth again? Deflecting away perhaps?

That has nothing to do with you pushing Lin despite her answering your question.


Then don't be rude and obnoxious! :rolleye:

I rate this thread a 9.....

.....out of 100?:D

the problem is the m/t bending over backwards to please every one
the baying back has smelt the weakness and are3 moving in

my advice
sod the meetings etc
just run it like a dictatorship


i like the dd but it aint doin the club no good
before dd, good message board. dont really know what it is now


then again i'm pretty simple and i've had a bottle of red

What he said,...well apart from downing a bottle of red.

Maybe it's time to ask the whole membership if they wouldn't prefer a DSC without DD... I'm not suggesting anything but that would solve a lot of problems :lol:

Already 2 :D

This event (Sat. 18th Nov) has been added to the site calendar - awaiting final confirmation of timing and venue.

The calendar can be used to send an alert to you - in case you didnt know!

Cheers - Frank

Want to support an open meeting
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Paul james
Tony Perrin
Dickie
Rally
MURRAY
Ian
Phil H
Mark B
Tonio
Whele
Dominic Clegg
Dseered dependent on venue and date, in principal yes.
Steve Bale
Pete Yates
Skidlids (if its not when i'm on a shift)
PhillC
Jools
Monty
Multi600 (not sure if it's realistic but I would like to be there)
Scooter
chrisW

have we got a venue and time for this meeting yet???

Thanks Ian

yes any details of where and when. i need to know so i can try to arrange to be there.

Yes indeedy. I've bunged in all the postcodes to date and it comes back to Postcombe being pretty much the best option. Its Northwest of London, just off M40 J6 so pretty good access all round. Room at the "Englands Rose" public house, called in last night to check all is OK so start time for meeting 11am, lunch at 1pm. If you want lunch they will take food orders before we start the meeting.

Will be emailing all who have registered their interest with the info and a map link later today.

Thats good for me!!see you there!!!

HMM Cant make that, My busiest day in the shop, and its a fair old treck,
Internet conferencing ??
LOL