As we are both aware,the derogatory comments were "I get the feeling one might be going down soon the way the politics and the personal agendas are going..........its become a bit of a joke there sadly".
But obviously this is only "trying to add value to the club".
The club will continue to grow because of the work put in by the MT,Webteam etc and the financial support of the members.I do find it sad that non members can post,I believe it should be a privilege of membership.

So based on a post in this thread, you went hunting onto another forum and then combined two different posts taken out of context due to not posting the contents of the rest of that thread and decided to post it here to prove what point?

I personally do not feel that his comments on the other forum were derogatory and that's my view as a paid up member of the dsc. Taken in the context of the rest of that thread they were a personal view of how he sees things on this forum.

The club continues to grow because 'people' put in effort, irrespective of whether they are MT or webteam.

:lol: :lol:

Eric last year I was indeed a member, and as stated in another thread I was even awarded by the MT at last years dinner dance for the number of posts in one year on this very forum, in excess of 5500 currently and I've been posting here for over 5 years.I have an opinion which you do not clearly agree with which is fair enough, but I'm still here posting even under the current grey clouds.To say you need to pay to access the forum would be commercial suicide for the DSC, would you pay money towards something and not know what you would get for your money?Truth of the matter is I don't have access to DSC Topics (I believe???) which is for paid up members only, so there is an area just for people who have contributed on a financial level. So there is some segregation but not a complete ban as you would like.My comments on UpNorth have been taken out of context by yourself, as has since been highlighted a thread was started by a non-DSC member who was shocked at the threads on this board and the problems and friction amongst it's posters, I made a comment which as I have stated earlier I'm not very PC so forgive me there, it was actually a bit tongue in cheek if you knew me you would understand my humour.All this is doing is adding more fuel to the already burning fire at the moment, something I'm keen to put out and resolve, if all the issues from the last AGM (did you go?) are finally resolved and the MT accept the new constitution that's been put before them, and the running of the club, the funds become more transparent to it's members I'd rejoin in a flash until such time I'll keep my 20 quid or so and put it to good use with riders for health (oh I did that earlier in the year when I lost a bet with TP on the board) or maybe the air ambulance service.Jon

paragraphs wouldn't go amiss ;)

:lol: It's all a blur ... calls himself a nerd too! Sheesh!

I can't even follow this thread anymore, and speaking as the official DSC thread hijacker I've lost count of all the tangents that have been 'explored'!

:lol: :lol:

I wondered why I hadnt seen you since then! :lol:

Anyways, it was 2 Silk Cut you gave me, thats equivalent to a butt rolie of my Regal King Size ;)

I type everything in with paragraphs but something with IE on this new work lappy and the new boards screws up... honest! I can't even click todays posts or any of the forum buttons at the top of the page they all redirect me to my control panel! It's all a wild blurrrrr...... :D :D :D

Jeeez How can you remember they were silk cut? :confused: :D

this is what winds me up about all these anti moan threads.
the only people who keep going on about how bad things are, are people who have said they don't want to be apart of the party.
The DD stuff can easily bee ignored now.
which is great
and I don't believe the DOC have gone under as they have member only posting.
Granted I don't think it is a ideal way of going but it would stop the constant non member sniping

Uh huh, yep :rolleye:

:p :lol:

I have to say that I am not convinced the sniping is just coming from non members and tbh I am not always sure it's snipng. Just because someone approaches things differently to try and improve stuff doesn't make it sniping.

Keefer if there's no grey clouds why are there threads about moderation? this thread about henners not being able to post? who will run DD next year? the meeting on the 18th November to "resolve DD issues" this is a small handful of current hot potatoes!! Ignorance is bliss to some and the rose tinted glasses are still there for most but some like me want to resolve things, I've offered to help and I know lots of people have offered also but we're still here arguing.

Plenty of grey clouds in my life
but the problem with a few people around here is they don't like the way things are done so they want to change them.
I as others are happy to see henners toe the line
I don't have a problem with the DD so no issue for me or even many who race in it
You sound like a Man U fan who gets upset because someone buys the club ?
I mean I buy a burger at Mc D's but I don't feel I have a say in how the company is run
Everyone is welcome sure, but as others have seen the wheel will keep turning whether some stay or go

I'm always on hand to give IT advice Jon:lol:

God help me if it comes to that eh Shaun!!

Because I was nearly violently sick after smoking them! :lol:

What do you mean by toe the line ?

So what your saying is that as long as you post things that does not question the running of this club or members of the Mt everyone would be happy ?

I am sorry mate but if you don't question things you don't get improvements, which is the one thing that most people agree with !

Also it has been said that this is a public forum so everyone is free to post and in doing so ask questions and even point out faults, which as far as I see it is why henners is being censored !

Other members like Jpm dibble and even myself were Paid up members and got disgruntled with the way the DSC was being run and the lack of benifits you had for your money.

Perhaps what you want is for people like me who no longer own a Ducati should leave and never visit this forum again !

I might not own a duke anymore but I did make quite a few freinds on here and will continue to keep upto date with them through the DSC !

So lets stop censoring peoples posts and only remove posts if members complain to MT this would also make the MT's life alot easier !

Age


sorry about any bad spellings I hope my spelligs have not upset anyone :o

Nowt to do with the 3 bottles of Buckfast you had just polished off then? ;)

I can't help but notice the absence of any MT/WT involvement in this debate. As far as I can see, that last 'official' post was Frank's post #19 some two days ago (and all that said was 'Read the T&C').

I've been trying to think of why this could be. The only options I can come up with is:

1. The MT think this will 'blow over', i.e. the dissenters will get bored and drop it.
2. The MT don't place any value on the opinions of the members.
3. There are 'sponsored' members who are posting MT's opinions on their behalf.
4. They are composing a response so elaborate that it takes two days to construct.

Whilst I like the image of the whole of the MT with their fingers in their ears going "La la la. We can't hear you" I hope that it's not true.

yeah number 5 would be :

MT can't see a problem as they have got there heads too far up their own backsides !!!!


oops that will get me censored as well now :lol::lol:

1 and 2 for sure. possibly 3 as well.

they really dont give a flying f.uck.

it will at come up at the AGM as well. lots wil be promised and nothing at all delivered. everyone will realise that to make a change you had to put something in writing 2 years ago and even then if the MT dont think you're suitable it will just get ignored. they'll bang on about openess and tranparency while trying to avoid honest answers and hoping they have covered their tracks.

all they need to do is be open and democratic. but it is beyond them it seems.

no they don't ..... especially as I've never been a member and have started their two most sucesful threads for both views and replies ...

i'm a genius ...

All I would like to say on this subject is !

If you were going to WAR who would you want on your side?

Henners 4 me all day long !



mav

I post there too Dibs:D

Rally, you are a restrained gentleman.

Maybe they want to see if this can be the longest thread of the year ;) - that hasnt been removed:lol:


Lots seem to be coming out here.........

I cant lump ALL the MT together - it isnt fair on Psychlist, Flanks, Jools, Lizzie (and posssibly Eamonn) but there seems to be something not quite right in the 'off line' goings on from the other members of the MT

It appears (conjecture) that Henners wont be on his own in the wilderness now - 2 more long standing members are now off to join him it seems (so that will be 2 less on the DD grid next year - well done MT!):rolleyes:
shame you didnt go the whole hog Mr Secretary, and also castigate the other 3 !!!!!!

Psychlist, Flanks, Jools, Lizzie (and posssibly Eamonn)
all great people in their own right !

ahhh so what you could be saying is Keep the good MT and throw out the useless tossers :D :D :lol:

cant say that Age or i'll be in the "sin bin " next ! lol
mav

Nearly 12000 posts from 4 non members, inc how the club should be run, but i still dont wanna join!

could be more in the sin bin than those not soon :lol::lol:


Maybe you might sort this out mav by using your management skills ( The heavy mob :lol:)

Age

eliteist!

errr you mean rejoin !!!

and your point being ???

maybe you should view it as 4 commited ex members of this club that it has for various reasons lost ??

do you EVER have anything constructive or positive to say ?? because in all your hundreds of posts I've never seen anything that could be described as such ....

post me a link, go on, prove me wrong !!

Although aint your cheque in the post? :lol:

If you dont like it here, **** off! How that for constructive........as appossed to destructive!.....and i have seen plenty of that from you.

Why stay around? Why not do something about whats going wrong if your so committed?.....You aint lost 6500 posts say your still here....banging on! Do something about it, put yourself up for committee, and expose all these wrong doings! failing that...................... just stay bleeting on and on!

No need for that Age ! we are all here for two reasons
1 you own a Ducati
2 you have a lot of friends on here !

Up to date as a "non" member I have
put £50 behind the counter at JHP I think 4d won that !
Discounted By £325 A few members who came out to the ring!
placed £200 pounds worth of items for a raffel at the AGM

Helped loads of peeps out on here ! including out of hours !

In return I have pretty much a free hand for advertising my trips !
I cant complain

so what have some of the sarcy "members " on her donated?

mav

You left out:

5. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I posted on another thread about people tarring all members of the MT with the same brush.

Some of the MT have had very heated and very public disagreements with some of the members and have usually paid a very public price for it by being vilified extensively on this board. In some cases I wholeheartedly agree that those MT members have been very clumsy in trying to deal with whatever situation they were trying to deal with and have deserved a public kicking. Furthermore, I have told those MT members that to their face.

However, lumping the whole of the MT together as one entity with only "the party line' point of view is disingenuous.

You can read my post on the Regional Organisers thread that states my aim when elected to the MT was to be 'a voice for the membership on the MT rather than the other way round'. I have tried very hard to uphold that aim and I have also tried to be scrupulously objective in my judgement of the many issues and grievances that the membership see fit to air. This includes very blunt dialogue with others on the management team with whom I have disagreed. Like anybody else in the world, my opinions differ from the next man and this means that I sometimes agree with the consensus view of the MT and sometimes I don't. If I don't agree with the direction, method or approach taken then I speak my mind and try to persuade people of my point of view. That, to my mind, is the adult way.

What we have now is a situation where open season has been declared, by a few, on anybody who has tried to further the interests of the DSC membership by having the temerity to put themselves forward as an MT member. I put myself forward to try and help people have a good time on Ducatis, not to be an 'Aunt Sally' for anyone who thinks they can take a pop.

I am not alone in being an independantly minded member of the MT, some of us, however, just want to get on with the job that the membership elected us to do without being 'guilty by association'. Unfortunately, we have to deal with misguided assertions, like the one above, that we're too idle to be bothered by members concerns, that we couldn't care less, that we have to have people in our pocket to post for us because we're too stupid to think up a reply for ourselves.

The truth is that nearly everything that an MT member posts these days is ripped to shreds. It will be interesting to watch this post being publicly disembowelled.

To the point. My personal view on the whole subject on who should be allowed to post on this board is clear.

The board is paid for by the members of the DSC, in my view that makes them the users who should benefit the most from their usage of this board. However, I would hate to see this board become closed to any non-members who wish to use it and have argued that it should be available to all. On all the DSC rideouts that I've been on everybody has been welcome whatever they ride and I'd like to see this ethos maintained in the virtual world.

In my view, members have a right to use the board as they see fit and we extend that as a privilege to non-members (not that many would see that as a valued privilege right now). People who are non-members have chosen to be so either because they haven't decided to join yet, or they don't see any value in joining, or they have joined and found no point in renewing or they have left because they are disaffected. That's fine, no club can be all things to all men and if you don't want to be a member, then don't be.

As to moderation, people think that they have a right to say anything that they want to say on web forums, regardless of whether they are a member or not. This is not true. Moderation has to be in place to stop the board descending into a Visordown clone, stop pointless interpersonal feuds or worse, stop it from becoming a cesspit of bigotry.

Difficult job, moderation. One man's moderation is anothers censorship but on the whole I think it works quite well. People are not moderated for no reason at all and are given fair warning that their post has been found to be offensive or in breach of forum rules (or reported by another user).

It works both ways. People who have complained about finding their posts being moderated have also, if they care to admit it, been protected from attacks by others being moderated in turn, or having offensive posts directed at them removed. As an MT member I see some of the removed posts and some are sickening in their personal attacks. Do the webteam always get it right? Of course not, nobody's judgement is infallible, but from what I've seen they try hard to make sure there are no double standards.

may as well let people like Jewel back on and get posting as well hay
amazing people join
have a tantrum because its not how they like it
then stick around to sling Mud
why you still here.
we never had a vote. and I mean off the board
to ask if we all need saving.
you all take it on yourselves to come threw on your white horses.
and save us from what ?
I hope the MT have the balls to pull this thread 2
it serves no purpose other than to massage the huge egos of a few
who continue to snipe at the MT

I think Henners has already tried that mate and look how he's been treated.

I will continue to post on here as I can as it is a public Forum but as for missing my Duke ownership then no I aint as there seems to be too many owners who think they are VIP's.

Mav is a fine example of what he has tried to do for the DSC but is constantly in a battle with MT because he is a Buisness but ffs he is trying to give DSC members/users Discounts.

But MT cannot see that He has been trying to pass on the benifits of his HARD work to all of us.


Age