http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipodeans

Learn somthing new every day. thanks Paul

I would agree with that 100%. There are people who have made comments on here indicating that they're so sick of this country that they're leaving it to find greener pastures elsewhere. Fine. So...let me get this straight, you consider that you have the absolute right to go and live and work anywhere you please in the world (as long as yo have the legal right to do so), but people who feel exactly the same way about their country and are looking to come into the UK are somehow in the wrong?

These people also seem to be getting stick for the breakdown of law and order in this country. That's tosh. There is no wholesale breakdown of law and order in this country except in the fevered minds of tabloid editors looking to whip up ill-researched stories to suit their own agenda and sensationalise stuff that will appeal to the moral outrage of their readers. Anyone who doubts this might like to go back to the golden age when crime didn't exist in this country - Perhaps they might have felt safer a decade ago, there was no violent crime then was there? Maybe they would've felt safer in Victorian London (probably one of the most violent cities on earth at that time). Truth is, there was no 'Golden Age'. There have always been scumbags in society, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status.

Of course what we need is no more immigration and Draconian laws to punish all scumbags. That should do it. Doesn't really work though does it. The lower you set the criminalisation bar the more criminals you have - until you end up being sentenced to death for stealing a loaf.

Jools I have stated that I am leaving this country for pastures greener, But,I am doing so not to find work, Done that for the past 20 years to get me where I am now. I am being welcomed to my choice destination because I am taking somthing there, My Hard earned, cash that will in turn improve their economy, How many illigal imigrants into our shores even pay tax let alone aid our economy, the opposite they drain our resources to the point that people like me who pay a lot of tax are sick to the back teeth of supporting scum and voting with their feet.

Glyn

Jools,
With all due respect, I believe you are burying your head in the sand. The present levels of vicious crime are unacceptable.
Take it from me (a really old git) there was a time when England was much better and more crime free than it is now.
But there's one thing for sure there's NO hope of an improvement in the future if the views expressed on this board are anything to go by.

Big demand for Koala hunters round your way TP? :lol:

I thought you were just shipped in chains to Australia for stealing a loaf?

Yeah, you're probably right...bloody soft liberals to blame I reckon :lol:

Who is that woman who is famous for establishing a dynasty in Ozz? Forget her name now, but she was originally sentenced to death for allegedly stealing a petticoat. Somehow, she got shipped to Australia instead. Let's not forget that being shipped to Australia was also a death sentence for many. Hundreds of people died on the ships and in the early settlers camps.

Errr ... that's my third job ;)

Nasty little buggers, don't try this at home ...

So thats why I have been having pains in my back. I have a bloody dynasty.....

I am also an old git (in my 50's) and I can't accept that there was a golden age when everything was better and crime free.

I can remember reading about people being robbed at knifepoint and about gangland razor fights when I was a kid. The likes of the Krays and 'Mad Frankie Frazer' were running around. When I was growing up there were regular fights going on between rival village gangs and these same people would regularly nick cars to travel to and from the latest rumble. Violence on football terraces was rife with people using bottles and coins as missiles and every ground had the end where the hard men went for a fight. In my teenage years two people were fatally stabbed (at seperate times and in seperate incidents) in the little market town where I live - both in fights after chucking out time. Gangs of skinheads made a religion out of using their Doc Martens. My dad also used to tell me stories of the street violence that went on in his day - it has always been the same, because human nature has always been the same.

What has changed is the technology available to the law enforcement agencies and the rigour with which they need to report incidents. I'm sure that rather than there being halcyon days of law and order as depicted in 'Heartbeat', the reality of the times was the local beat Bobby dealing out summary justice on the end of a truncheon with no need for tedious paperwork. Same crimes happened, just didn't get reported.

With the advent of greater levels of reporting (and being held to account for performance through the statistics thus produced) it fuels another phenomenon. There has never been more competition in the media. Hundreds of TV and local radio stations all vying with each other, millions of websites and internet based media plus the traditional newspaper press competing in a state of frenzy for their slice of a finite advertising cake. How do the proprietors and editors of these media outlets raise their profile above the clamour? By the time honoured methods of hype, exageration and downright lies, bending statistics to suit their particular editorial stance - the worst of them playing on the fears, prejudices and ignorance of the man in the street to whip up a frenzy of public opinion to suit their circulation figures or political leanings

I agree at 100%.

Jools
So all is well. things have never been better! I feel so much happier now. This is a wonderful bike club now we can all relax. The unprecedented levels of vicious crime is an invention of the journalists who write for the Daily Mail.

Jesus! Talk about twisting Jools' words!

He was saying things back then were no different, there was still a lot of violence then as there is now. Only now it's more widely reported by more sensationalist media.

If you take it in that vein and read it again it might make more sense? I hope so.

I was referring to the late forties and fifties young man. There was NOT the level of vicious crime that there is now and I don't need your guidance on what constitutes common sense.

Well go ahead and be an arrogant bell-end then, see if I care :)

Enjoy!

I'm not saying all is well, the world is never perfect. All I'm saying is that the world never was perfect.

As regulars on here will know, me and my family have suffered from one of the very worst of violent crimes - just over a year ago when my wife was raped. I went public about it on the board at the time since it's a bugger trying to creep around pretending nothing happened but I'm not going to rake over all of that again here. Just to illustrate that I know only too well that real crime happens and don't live in a fools paradise.

What I am saying is that much of the evidence for the 'unprecedented level' of crime is anecdotal, and I have yet to see convincing figures that demonstrate conclusively that crime is becoming more prevalent or more vicious year on year - of course there will be blips caused by changes in criminal activity (identity fraud for instance) or changes in collating the figures - but over the long term I'm convinced that things will be pretty static. When somebody shows me the statistical evidence - adjusted to allow for the greater emphasis on gathering statistics, then I'll believe them. As it is I do believe that the press are using "Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics" to support half-baked and dubious editorial positions.

As for things have never been better? Well, we don't have to put up with the slum clearances of the early 1900's, or the decimation of the First World War that ripped the heart out of the 1910-1920 period. We don't have put up with the huge social divides of the 1920's or the grinding poverty of the 1930's depression days, and we can sleep easy in our beds without the sirens going off like they did in the 1940's. We had to put up with rationing into the 1950's and a very frugal utilitarian lifestyle through to the 1960's. We had to put up with swathes of youth unrest as the baby boomers worked out their teenage angst as Mods and Rockers pitched into battle along every seafront on every bank holiday. We had the three day week and winters of discontent in the 70's, the miners strike and the Falklands in the 80's, Sarajevo, Srebrinica (spelling) and Bosnia in the 90's, Iraq today.

Ahhhh happy days...of course they weren't. Same **** different day

So because you don't agree with me I'm arrogant! TP I respect Jools' view of the world more than anyone else who posts on this board but on this topic I believe he is wrong.
I will not Harp on about it though.

It would be very interesting to know how the figures for life expectancy are calculated.

Because on one hand there is all of you saying the world has never been so black, and on the other hand there is all of us living longer and longer.

Obviously I do share TP's and Jools' opinions. Human beings are not worse than they've ever been. Each of our generations have seen murdered millions of us, it shows that we have always been that stupid. Sad, but comforting.

No, you're twisting my words just as you did Jools'

You're post was arrogant because of the condescending manner in which you posted.

Ariel. I believe that you are right.

There was not the same level of violent crime in the late 1940's and early 1950's as there is now. Possibly because most violent crime is perpetrated by young men and a huge number of that generation had been killed in the war. Most of those who returned had probably seen enough extreme violence for one lifetime, were still in shock or getting on with the business of rebuilding their lives and the country.

Well Enjoy the Uk thats my last word on this subject. I will Watch the uk go to **** on Sky news From my hammock in retirement heaven. The Uk has nothing to offer.. and that is said with a heavy heart from a guy who has fought for his country.
There is a lot more I would like to type but I could be labled "insulting" By the PC nutters that seem to be Living in this once great nation.

That sums it all up really. "from a guy who has fought for his country". That's why me and doogalman want to move into our German house full time ASAP!!! :devil:

It would make sense that the late 40's, 50's and some of the 60's were less crime ridden, not because it was not reported, but because the population had just come out of a war. Community is what helped the UK survive the hardship and austerity. Most of the male population had seen nearly 6 years of bloodshed so violence was not part of the psychy. Yes, there was violent crime but, unlike now there was honour amounst thieves, one cardinal rule was, you don't shoot coppers. The reason cop killers got caught is because the 'firm' tipped off who it was, and if they didn't get caught by the feds, then the 'firm' got shot of them themselves. The Krays were put away for getting rid of one of their own. Those gangs fought each other for turf.

I have always said I would pick up a gun when the enemy were walking up my high street, to be quiet honest I thought it would be something like a jackboot of one kind or another, but the enemy is walking up our high street. Not only are we powerless as a society to prevent it, the powers we vest in those meant to protect us have IMHO formed self protecting groups. The general public are the last thing on their minds. Elfensafety, PC and Human rights prevail but not for the majority.
Voting? That is a laugh, you vote for the same team only the shirt is a different colour. We will not have a real democracy until the party system is busted. The only way that will happen is if we all vote for a non affiliated independent person standing for the community, not some politically spun ar*ehole parachuted in from another part of the country because he/she is the party leaders bright eyed person.
That is one thing I admire of the French, when they disagree with something then they physically do something about it. The Brits, pi55 and moan and do s*d all.

Maybe the time has come to fight fire with fire. The lads in the van, two or three blokes gets out to beat the living **** out of them and then drive off. I bet any witnesses seeing it would find they suddenly could not remember a number plate.

We, that are big enough and fit enough to do something about it maybe should start doing so. Because as I type this, no other b*st**d is going to do it. No doubt I will now get the riot act read to me. To be quiet honest I've given up giving a **** about these low lifes. They get what is coming in any fashion. The main reason? Because that poor woman died in vane if we don't; because the next victim could be my 13 year old daughter walking home from school or could be your partner, spouse or relative.

Ains.

Jools my friend, I must admit that the comparisons I was making related to the differences between today and the forties and fifties which I lived through. Drug addiction too has a big impact on crime now. In those days drug taking was unheard of.

TP, it was not my intention to be condescending towards you and I should not have addressed you as young man. Accept my apologies, I hope there is no bad feeling between us.
Perhaps I feel too strongly about this issue.

Taking all of the above into consideration, I think one difference between now and even ten or fifteen years ago is the length of sentences once a criminal has been caught and found guilty.

I am incredulous at some of the pathetic sentences given for serious offences rapists, paedophiles and murderers commit, including those who cause deaths on the road.

To my mind if you lock someone away for a minimum of 10 years with no parole for the above offences then we know damn well that that particular person can't commit any further offences to our loved ones for at least 10 years.

Re - offend again when you come out? Then next time matey it's 25 years minimum. And if you murder your victim to cover up your crime?

Life, to mean until you die.

I wonder what the re-offending rate would be then?

Thanks Ariel, I accept.

No bad feelings :)

Glyn, I do respect you and your opinion. That's why I just hope you won't hurt too much when falling off your hammock. The ground is not softer anywhere in the world. :(

I've now lived in France for 24 years and in England for 2 years. Yet I've never been insulted or threatened when walking in the street in the UK. I suppose I must be a lot luckier on this side of the Channel. Come on guys, there is no place better than another in that world. There are some worse places for sure. Irak is now one of them. But none is better.

I'm only 26, so I guess I must be younger than most of the people complaining in that thread. That's why I'm going to shup up now :)

We are too Liberal in our attitudes..not standing up for what we believe in....we allow our heritage and way of life to be eroded with an " oh its ok attitude " soon it wont be.........

And yes it has gotten worse.....we are becoming more de-sensored to the happenings in our society.....

Accepting of main stream movies that glorify torture murder and voilence..each one more shocking than the next..big brother selecting contestants that are prone to strange out landish behavoir.....no holds barred fighting....

the list goes on............

Not PC correct to hang up Christmas decorations in our offices.?...not PC correct to have a cross around your neck..!

Happy slapping.....people getting beaten to death while the teenager film it laughing.?

sure you may not be exposed to it in your comfortable life style " an englishmans home is his castle ".....well look outside the walls.....it IS getting worse and soon will be at your doorstep.!..

Over the top ..maybe....but until we stand up and demand stiffer punishments real detterents...stand up for our way of life...then soon it will be lost.!

Tonio
It seems from the below link its one in one out,,, You can have my place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6210358.stm

Enjoy Frenchie....LOL

Greatly appreciated, but I don't think I can afford it at the moment :D

For what it's worth
 

Who realy give's a fook anymore???????????
my post earlier in the year! "base ball bat"

I grew up in a country where I could leave my keys in my car all night (they were still there next morning)

I grew up in a country where if i found a wallet on the floor (I handed it in)


I grew up In a country where If my mother was ill, (My neighbours collected me from school )

I grew up in a country when if you saw a person being picked on (you went over to sort the problem) and help.

I grew up in a country where what I worked for, belonged to me, ( I never stole it) i worked for it!

and so on!!

My four kids 2 mine 2 step kids, all from broken homes

1 is in computer's

1 is trainee Acoountant

1 is beuty therapist

1 is at uni (teacher special needs)

None have ever kicked cars , robbed people , they HAVE "respect"..


I was chastised by some peeps on here when I took " The bat" out to some badmouth youth's

at the time I was accused by some of beating up poor kids in a park

I was told they would return

They hav'nt because we now have some respect from them!

Biggest problem this country has !


Ethnicks
stick together.

Ethnicks
work together and with each other.


WE
and i'll say born bread in uk

wont work together

wont stick together

WE
are so scared of our friends haveing 1 penny more than me (attitude)

WE
won't go outside and help when there is a problem


WE
will always leave it for someone els to deal with it!


The ethnics have not taken over our country!!


We have Given our country to them!


Dont blame the people before you take a long look at yourself!


Keep it real!

5 more years and i'm outta hear too!
plans are already afoot,

but what I hate, is I'm no better than the rest as i'm not standing up and fighting for MY/OUR country, I'm bailing out like the rest!

mav

Feckin,spot on Mav...good rant.

Maybe it's time to echo the words of those great Statesmen...Mahatma Ghandi, Arch Bishop Markarios and Nelson Mandela and say " I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK". And to remind this government that this is OUR Country to "KEEP" and not theirs to give away!!!!