Scott my prefernce would be for people to wheel their bikes out next season as they finished this. With Gray areas of the rule book cleared up or eliminated. Also for rules outside the control of the DSC such as Exhaust noise levels or race number sizes removed from the DD rules so we don't have to wait on the ACU before issuing the 2010 rules

Then its up to individuals how much they want to spend on their bikes over the winter, some would go for a complete refresh by a dealer, others just an oil and filter change

But there is still 16 days left to submit suggestions for consideration

Many are of the opinion if it isn't broke don't fix it, so all suggestions may already have been submitted, with a fair few happy with the rules as they are

I hate to correct you but Bridgestone are the only tyre supplier in F1, so no there isn't any competition! Funny that this means that they have a mandated control tyre by the ruling body.

There is absolutely nothing to stop anyone testing what ever tyres they wish outside of a Desmo Due race - the series rules do not apply.

As has been posted elsewhere, the Race Committee are in the process of reviewing the 2010 rules at this time, suggestions are being reviewed in turn as they are received. Now it is expected that the revised rules may well be ready round the end of this month, which gives everyone something like 5 months before the start of the 2010 season to get their machines ready.

Well said Scott :lol:

I did notice the **** takers haven't been seen on the grid ?

Yes Agree Thanks to Nog who is only trying to help and get a
good deal for the RIDERS.
Ask Sam West about the tyres :)

But I have a feeling we will be on H rated diablos at £200 a pair.

It looks like Nog has been made out to look the Bad Boy but all
cast back a year ;) ;)

Hi there!

I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here, but I LOVE PIRELLI!

They warm up super-quick so when the weather's half decent, you can totally cane it from lap one. Who needs warmers? There'd be all that rushing to the holding area at the very last minute instead of the current race to get there half hour before the first call-out to be first out on track and avoid all the traffic. My fastest race lap at Castle Combe was on about lap two, on tyres that had already done Oulton and Cadwell!

Which brings me to another point... They last ages. And when you do have to finally buy a new set, they're cheap as chips compared to the price of today's tyres!

The road-tyre tread and compound means they're good in the damp or wet. It'd be the worst thing ever to introduce wets in the series - I can't even make up my mind on what shoes to bring at a race meeting, let alone what tyre to go for in dubious conditions. I always feel so sorry for those peeps who have to make last-minute decisions! If I were on my own at a race meeting, like at Donington race two this year, it'd be a disaster! Plus I'd rather save my spare rear wheel for older scrubs to use for track day practice so I don't waste my best rear tyre. And wets would be no more safer - people would simply go faster and crash more. At the moment there seems to be more crashes in DD when the weather's lovely as people are less cautious and go MENTAL! Like Tim :-)

Letter notwithstanding, the Pirellis are tried and tested in the series. Riders put in super-fast laptimes using them with no complaints.

In my opinion, PIRELLI DIABLOS ROCK! And I seriously doubt any of us would really notice the subtle difference between H and ZR rated on a DD bike. I'd be disappointed if I were to do the championship next year (not sure at mo) and Pirellis weren't used anymore.

Oh, and I'm not sponsored by Pirelli, ask Holbeach! I bought all my tyres from them this year, except one set kindly donated to me by FWR Tyres. Who like Holbeach get them directly from Pirelli...

Still, it's good to look at other tyres and deals at the end of the season. It'd certainly be cool to get hold of Rossos. But I don't think it's worth going all handbags at dawn about it.

Apologies, I stand corrected, was it the previous year I'm referring to?

I'm in favour of control tyres, just let people make the transition (should it go ahead) as and when they change their rubber. I'm in agreement with you there Miss R, I like Pirelli too, all my road bikes have had them on but are they becoming a bit rare and expensive? We've got to keep control tyres or like you said it'd be manic in the paddock 10 mins before a race in dodgy conditions. I was with no22er at our first Cadwell meet and he changed twice in 20 mins, ended up going out on wets, came in a season's worst at 11th and ruined £270 worth of tyre because it dried out. It did make me smile though as my only concern was do I have a tea or coffee as he struggled juggling his wheels.

Not broke so don't fix, I'd go for that too.

Scott,

You may well be right about F1, I cant remember when Michelin pulled out now.

The majority of riders would appear to have the greatest of respect for Diablo's and as Harriet has pointed out they do work in all conditions. I suppose the main thing is that after 5 years the riders know they can trust them.

Regardless of what the decision on tyres is, Pirelli have been asked to confirm that supplies of Diablos will be available (or not) in 2010.

In terms of not broke dont fix it - that is an option - but it is one of many. As I have already posted the questions are being asked, people will respond and then an informed decision can be made.

sam's test
 

i believe sam west the class b champ has already tested the maxxis?:)

Yes, I won both races that day :-)

Where did he hit the tyre wall?:D

Ray

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated. :devil:

You're confused! Hawkin's A Brief History Of Time was easier to understand. :lol:

It would be easier to remove all the rules on engine and ignition regs and
enforce the BHP limit :confused:

I have just set the static timing on mine as the factory setting was a mile out
(retarded) and have now set it slightly advanced. Is this OK under current rules ?
Once it's back together i will check it with a light.

I do feel the rule book is confusing in place's and it would be easier to
enforce the bhp limit.

Just pointing out there are suggestions being emailed in to relax a rule and another suggestion to tighten up the same rule.
Different riders have differing views

As has been said you can't please everyone

I sort of see what you mean Kev, but if I wish to set my ign timing static any where between min and max as much as the cradle will allow, I'm not breaking any rules.

For this rule to be valid you would have to state that every engine is set static at 7° which you and I know, is a nonsense and unprovable.

We need to open things up so riders with inavative ideas can try them as a tutor once told me:- "Always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got". FFS

Nigh on impossible to enforce a BHP limit unless a Dyno turns up at the track and then ideally at several meetings.

And if you allow modifications then its not just Horse Power but Torque as well that will need checking as those that can afford tuning will get it done if its going to give them an advantage within the rules, then its nolonger a even playing field, not unless everyone else follows suit which all costs money and pushes up the costs.

Phil my submission is for the rule to be changed
removing the words about the Manufacturers Standard settings
This will then allow people to experiment (mainly at next to no cost) and also reduce the risk of people buying bikes that have had the timing altered and knowing nothing about it and hence breaking the rule unwittingly.

Phil You may also be interested in my suggested changes to the Crankshaft rule
I have submitted a change that includes the phase
"Apart from Dynamic Balancing" inserted after the words No Modifications
This follows the debate earlier in the year and my subsequent questioning of several Ducati engine builders and can see no reason not to allow dynamic balancing and will again stop riders unknowingly breaking that rule

I See your point Kev :)

I never saw a dyno this year but spotted a few in 2008
at new era meets.

Good news on the crank balancing aspect. But knife edging will be outlawed, but impossible to prove without having a barrell off at the very least.

Mine isn't knife edged by the way. ;)

Er, actually, I would quite like to wheel my bike out next season just as it finished 2008 :(

Except for tyres of course :saint:






Blimey, is this really post #100 !

Well this one has made 100 posts:lol:



Chris:burn:

Just woke up Phil!! where you been all year? :)

Sulking, in between taking unpaid leave cos my company have cut back and working for my wife half the evenings through the summer cos she darent refuse any jobs !
I plan to get out next year and make a fool of myself again :)

Do You Mean Me !!!!!!!!!!
 

I do hope that isn't pointing fingers in my direction ?

Where were you when the series was set up?
I would have loved to have been at some DD rounds this season, but I was far too busy deciding where to spend my £62.50 PER WEEK Job Seekers Allowance, as I was OUT OF WORK !!!!!
Let me see, food for the family or blow it on a jolly out ..........

Oh and BTW, I have now built 4 DD bikes, some quite succesfull over the years, and offered advice on many occasions!

A, NO
B, That's my point! newbies are not allowed to have a say!
I'm a club member like you and this thread is not to be taken seriously...
apparently :)

Down to New Era loosing so much money last year it was part of their cut backs this year, one did turn up at Donington and I paid £25 to put my bike on it to find I had a whopping 57bhp

But they turned up on the day to try and earn a bit of extra cash and none of the New Era oficials new about it so nothing could be arranged, which is a real pity with the amount of time we were sat around for

I really hoped we would get one at Castle Combe as there was one there when we raced there in 2007 as I paid for a couple of runs that day with my laptop connected to my power commander



Yep polishing and lightening still not allowed and not really in the spirit of DD and the ACU protest procedure is there to be used if anyone thinks a bike is in breach of the rules such as knife edging

Same here, except I'll be using the same tyres! Those were the same ones that were being used in 2007 as well...

I find it funny that someone bringing up the rear is taking pot-shots at others who have poured their life savings into racing in DD since the series began, but because they've not raced in it this year apparently their ideas/thoughts/comments are not valid!

Talk about spitting the dummy...

Wished i entered Donny now as i reckon with my pickup plate in it's original
wrong position I was loosing a few valuable bhp's :(
As I'm layed up after my op I have been searching stuff about NE and It looks like 2010 will be a good year for them now as many found the grass wasn't greener :)

Wow 24 members 17 guests

It's boosting the viewing figures :)

Loosen up a bit........... poured my life savings and killed my C Cards over the last 2 seasons.
It's the taking part that counts :)

PMSL, 5h1t stirred, just as stated in reply #80.
Good work fellas!

Snip Snip :o

Seen it all before, clubs get to popular and end up having long reserve lists and returning entries as over subscribed.
Other clubs end up running more races of shorter duration to try and accomodate the large amount of members they have attracted and then the members feel they are loosing out and maybe the grass in the old paddock was just as good if not better than the paddock on the other side that they now find themselves in

People will end up where they feel they get the best value

Exactly! I'll be back next year for some guest rides. Nothing to lose, fairing to bash, trophies to add to the collection :D

Sweet...be good to have some of the old guard back.

Can you help me bully Rich Cashmore into coming back for another go too? :D

Good Man :)
I can only dream of a trophy :(
I love the paddock and freinds made in it, But sometimes i wonder why i race
as i can't afford it tbh but once i get into the holding area it all makes sense :D

Snip Snip............ Sick!

I now have a small amount of internal bleeding in the veggies I begged the Doc for some pain killers.......... no luck though and my 3 year old jumped on my lap earlier and F that hurt:(

I promise not to get in your way this time - will definitely keep in front ;)

Heheeeee, that's the spirit.

Had a next door neighbour who had the snip first thing in the morning, was told to rest for 24 hours, went and got into his car ( in Plymouth) and drove without stopping to his house in Portsmouth, sat out side honking his horn (no, the car horn) as he was in that much pain he could not move, it took 3 of us 10 minutes or more to get him into his house:(



Chris:burn:

My father-in-law didn't have an anaesthetic when he had his done, just hypnotherapy, and rode his push bike home from the surgery afterwards! Hard man!

Had mine done on a Friday afternoon, under local, in the doctors surgery, sat up watching him do it !
Then walked home, and went to work on the Monday !