I didn't realise you wrote the rule book for trackdays Dribble.

When I'm doing my 57 second laps around Brands Indy with my monsterous 60bhp missile, are you suggesting that the guys doing 50 second laps should be banned? What happens if they're having fun doing 50s laps, what do you do then?

Not only that my friend, but I'm not daft to think that I would get anywhere near my race lap times on a trackday. At Castle Combe I was doing 1m 26s on the trackday, and ended up doing 1m 22s in the race, and I had fun doing both.


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You're a funny bloke. Out there pushing it to the limit??? Give me a break. I don't do that in a race, let alone on a trackday.

Just for arguments sake, I'd rather have people with good ability out there pushing things to the limit, than a bunch of average trackday punters getting themselves in trouble and really causing a risk to everyone else.

...and not only that - If I want to make a timing beacon, then I ****ing well can!!!

Take your spoon elsewhere!

No I didn't, but they do exist ....

As for point two, thats easy, stick to racing and ACU days, you don't have to worry about your average rule abiding trackday punter or their ability ...

who cares if you build a beacon, build what you like, just use it at the appropriate time .. and thats NOT a trackday.

As for my spoon, don't tempt me !!!!!

TP, and why are these racers hiding their laptimers ?? and if they are just out there practising their lines and refreshing their knowledge, not pushing the envelope, why do they need them ???

The rules are their as they are deemed necessary to the punters safety ... you should know that better than anyone !!!

So you don't know how slow you've ridden around any track then?

You must be one of a kind.

Not saying it's OK to use them, but we all know that the rule about lap timers on track days is there because of insurance reasons.

in the main, no, i've never asked for anyone to time me, i've come in from a session to be told lap times but wasn't aware of being timed, the only time i've knowingly been timed was at CSS as they use timers in the States.

i do trackdays to enjoy, they arent an ego trip for me ....

talk to anyone thatknows me, maybe that does make me unique .. but i doubt it ...

Well just to set one record straight. I've never had a lap timer working on a trackday before. I've only bought one recently and it didn't work at Brands, and the battery was flat at the Castle Combe trackday (although the beacon was on). All I wanted to know was how to make a beacon, coz I can't afford the £40 to buy one from Rollcentre.

I think your initial post was not really on topic either.

I can see how you think that people trying to go for lap times can be a pain, but I would think that they are mostly in fast groups. Anyone going in a fast group should know the score and in my opinion, they have no right to complain about people riding too fast, unless it's dangerous.

I've seen plenty of slow people who are dangerous, and on the whole I think your argument is flawed. Not only that, you imply that I'm reckless on my DD bike.

The fact that you do trackdays to enjoy them - what does that mean?

I do trackdays to enjoy them too.

I do racing to enjoy that as well.

Just because I'm a ****load faster than you, doesn't mean I'm reckless or upsetting anyone.

Nobody has ever complained about my riding on a trackday, even when I've been timed, I'm curteous and aware that there are people like yourself out there, and I ride accordingly.

Basically, you're so far wrong on every aspect of your argument, and you ****ed me off!

I'm a good guy to have on a trackday and I am in full control of my bike, which is more than can be said for a lot of people.

FAR-Q

TP,

Do CSS still do timing?, went on Level 1 many years ago and they posted your lap times to you showing each session.

On the general topic of timing, sure track days are just for fun but part of that is trying different lines, suspension set up and so on. How the hell do ya know if that last click of yer suspenders has made the difference that yer mate claims is the reason he can do 10 laps in a session to your 5:D

If it isn't lap timers, it's mates with wrist watches, mobile phones, video cameras, egg timers and like who do the timing.

IMHO you can get "disrespectful riders" on circuit in any group with or without timing, it's what goes on between their ears thats the problem, nothing else.

Ray

On or off topic, its relevant in thisinstance.

I couldn't care that you are faster than me Dom, nice display of ego though, good lad.

Well, its nice to know no one has ever complained about you.

And why should "fast group" riders be trusted to flaunt what are hard and fast "safety rules" ??

And how can quoting the rules be wrong ??

as for ****ing you off, tough ****, deal with it, your disregard for the way you should conduct yourself is out of order.

oh, and please find where I called you reckless ???

TP,

egg timers, mates on pit wall etc do not have you distracted or as focusssed in my opinion as a lap timer does, in fact even in the briefings you are warned not to do that either, No Limits threaten to confiscate watches, mobiles etc... its a safety issue, if they didn't think it was it wouldn'e be an issue would it ??

as for people trying lines, set up etc, well thats cool, thats all part of a tracday so don't see the relevance of that statement.

As far as i'm aware the UK CSS does not issue timings on levels 1 & 2, i've never been issued any, maybe that was because they don't run lap times in hours ... lol

I doubt it. It will invalidate their insurance if it's found that timing equipment of ANY kind is bineg used.

and why do you think the inurance companies insist on it ???

because based on a table of probabilities and risk those running lap timers provide a greater risk, therefore become less attractive to both the insurer and the tdo.

the tdo COULD take a cover that would allow lap timers but then you're into "competition" territory and the premiuim rockets.

this like a lot of things is a catch all where the rules need to be written to protect us from the lowest common denominator, which in this instance is the idiot with a lap timer that is proven to be the greatest risk and the most danger.

thems the facts i'm afraid.

And Dom, before you get all paranoid and pee yer pants in anger no one is calling you an idiot.