Ruben Xaus is Spanish... they'll make another 2 words for him next year.

"World Champion"? That would be nice!

Not true Eamonn! I didnt know anything about it until I got a text message from Chris Bushell on Wednesday.

Can you also explain how/why the contents of certain of my PM's "Personal/Private Messages" have been passed to either Chris Bushell, Paul James or Ian Allgar?

Can the moderator read PM's

blimey Paul:o

this is why AK & I do not use PM's any more:mad:
Email only, as those are still reasonably private

Hope you had a good hol mate - looking fowards to seeing the sun tan:cool:

That's bang out of order :mad:

Hmmm ... this is an accusation concerning something a lot more serious than who is allowed to post what ...

Paul, an email was sent out.


Can you be more specific about your allegation?

Yes, as Dom quite correctly pointed out a couple of weeks ago the webteam have access to all areas of the database. Someone has to have access in order to do the necessary moderation tasks of both messages on the boards as well as messages sent through the PM system.
Both areas are subject to the same rules and regs as stated in the "Forum rules" section seen on the menu bar above.

Not PRIVATE MESSAGES then (note to self use email) so that's how mt/rc sneak in then reading is one thing passing on info is another matter.

PM = Public Message !

I have stayed out of all arguments and discussions so far but have to comment on this.

They are called 'private messages'. They should be the private concern of sender and recipient unless one or other shares the contents with another party. IMO moderators should not be looking in 'private messages'.

Completely agree. I wasn't aware of this either until Dom pointed it out to me a couple of weeks ago.

Depends what's in them...

i had an exceptionally violent, abusive and hurtful PM from [a member] last week, i was insulted, verbally abused and ridiculed....

the MT were aware of this by the time i reported it to them.... i don't see this as a bad thing.

If you were really bothered, you could and would have forwarded it to one of the moderators, they don't need to police 'private' conversations if the users don't want them looked at IMO.

I can't beleive this is happening, I believe thatto look at pm's requires a specific query of the database as I am not aware of any setting or option in the vbulletin admin control panel /software which allows this. No mention is made in the FAQ section that messages are not private!!

gizmo, your bloody mobile phone aint private anymore !

Big brother,

mav

Misrepresentation ?

It clearly states private messages in the box in the right hand corner of my screen - and they are not ?

Tsk Tsk :rolleyes:

I think it is absolutely appalling that PMs are not private. There is NO justification for that abuse of privacy. If they're not private, then take the facility off the board. It's a complete misnoma and an absolute outrage for the MT to think they are entitled to look at them under the guise of 'moderation'. It does, however, explain an e-mail I had from Ian last week.

The MT is given it's powers by the members. This is an outright abuse of that power, in my opinion, and an insult to everyone who uses the board.

If an abusive PM is received by any club member, then fair enough, report it to the MT and ask them to look into it, but carte blanche to look at every member's PMs on that pretext??? This, as so many people have said already, is Big Brother stuff and pretty much the last straw for me as far as this board is concerned.

i Did Luce... within about 3 seconds of reading it myself

Exactly, so I really don't see any valid reason for mods to need to look at them. We're all grown ups, though it might not always seem so, and are perfectly capable of letting the right people know when action should be taken regarding 'private' matters :rolleyes:

Can a member of the webteam or MT please point out which part of the forum rules allows the viewing of PMs and whether this is open to the webteam only or all of the MT.

Please can you also provide guidance on the methods used for checking PM content. Is this a random check across all forum members, a specific check against specific memebers or are all PMs checked?

Thanks

[x] should have been a PM


;)

Can I ask if data protection comes into this :confused:

It's all gone quiet...that seems to happen when too many questions are posed ;)

er, - don't think it does, the e-mail I sent to you (and others) had nothing to do with PM's, - it was about the difficult time that the club is going through. - Now if you are saying that there is something in your inbox that we should be aware of........JOKE.

The sad reality is that there is a high degree of mistrust within the club, - certain people have not trusted the MT for some time, - and certain members of the club have not been trusted by the MT. SHOCK!!! I have seen the lies and stirring that goes on through U2U’s, - last year I had u2u’s forwarded to me and I still have copies of a few where a person was looking for support in a breakaway series of DesmoDue. Can I justify having read those messages and kept copies? Yes, - DesmoDue is an asset to this club, attempting to take it away from the Club is theft of a member asset. The MT has a duty to the entire membership to protect its assets. The webiste is also a member asset, - should it be used to promote theft? Not in my opinion.

Ian

your reference is regarding u2us 'forwarded' onto you, there is a significant difference between this and reading other peoples PMs without invitation.

Please can I ask that eaither yourself or another member of the MT or webteam respond to my questions above.

I'm guessing they'll (the MT/Webteam) will be checking the forum rules.I would suggest it might be worth someone copying and pasting them before they get changed (maybe....) before they the MT come back with any kind of response.Alternatively this thread gets deleted as per the norm or we all get put on moderation so the so called "trouble makers" can't have a say in the club/forum they pay for is run LOL!!

Any legal eagles on here who know the in's and outs of data protection within a forum and especially paid up members of said forum?

I cannot see PM's or U2U's (whatever they are called). I have in the past been able to view them, - but I think they were called u2u's then. The person whose u2u's I have read is aware of my viewing of them, but I will not incriminate that person by putting down their name here.

Ian

Accepted that you may not directly have access, however I am interested in the webteam directly based on the quote above from Eamon that individual PM's can and have been viewed and the comment from a member that a PM was viewed by a moderator prior to him reporting it.

I have no desire or interest in specific pms that you have or have not seen, I am however very interested in the policy or rule that would allow you to do so if you so wished. I am interested in where that policy is clearly stated for forum users.

forgive me for saying this . . .
 

I know I am not a paid up member - but if I was I would be calling for the MT/Web Moderator to be sacked and a new set or at least a modified set of "rules" to be written + I, as a paid up member would want to be voting in a new member of the MT if not the whole MT itself - cause at the moment they all seem to be a little on the power-crazy side!!!!

Stop bitching about what HAS happend and do something about what WILL happen - its your club - isnt it???

Khushy (preparing to be flamed)

I do agree with the first part of your message.
But I'm really really sad to read the second one.

It's a shame, a real shame. In no way you can apply the same set of rules to a public forum and a private messaging system. Whatever you think people are using those private messages for.

I always try to stay out of the politics as much as possible. I always think twice about the outcome before writing anything on that message board (or any other message board). But now it will be very difficult for me to support a MT which don't respect my privacy.

Yes it bloody is. Weeksy your comment is rubbish. If I am rude with you by PM, then forward the said PM to whoever may take action. But you should not tolerate anyone having a look at it without you prior consentment.

This place is going crazy.

you're pushing against an open door as far as many members are concerned. it is however just not that easy.

that's a question of opnion... and ours obviously differ.... that doesn't make mine "rubbish".... it just makes them different to yours.

Keep it in perspective please.

Unfortunately, I was abroad and arrived home quite late Saturday night. As I was out all day Sunday with the DSC Sussex regional meet I have still not had time to catch up on my e-mails.


Other than saying that statements were communicated to me that were not public, I cannot be more specific Eamonn. When I queried the source it was made evident to me that my previous alignment with the then "Evo Group" had led either Chris, Paul or Ian to believe it would be worth their while getting the WebTeam to read my so called "Private Messages".
I am not aligned with any group, I have moved against any action to split the club whatever the source. I want to see fairness from all parties and responsibility to the membership in general, only then can we, the MT, expect the membership to respect us. I am extremely disappointed that the MT would see fit to authorise such espionage on a fellow MT member and even more disappointed that the WebTeam would be a party to it.

As previously stated by myself on page 8 of this thread....."Imagine if Hitler had the web back in WWII I doubt it would be much different to this" shockingly truthful it seems.Couple of sites that maybe of use here:-http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/19980029.htm http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk./ http://www.webforum.org.uk/legal_and...protection.asp

Sorry for the rubbish mate, I couldn't control my feelings. I still can't believe what I read though.

I'm way further of my country that I thought before... I may even already be on the other side of the Atlantic ocean...

:( :( :( :(

no problem fella, it's a fairly emotive subject for a lot of people, i can understand when things are said.