Mav is possibly one of the most enthusiastic people that contribute to the club and the site.

Similarly, you can find many instances where Henners has made a positive contribution. For example, instigating the recent trips to France and the bike show in Milan. I believe he also organised and led the Surrey group rideout in January. As has been mentioned he sponsors a team in DD. So for me, if his contribution does not fit the mould of

"Because you want to ride, attend events,do some travelling and track days....

I don't know what does.

Age in a way you are right, "But" I have taken the **** sometimes too (Like others on here!
It's a two way street!

To me as a one man band it is very important to Give customer satisfaction
(customers) make pay days possible.....

The reason I left (did not renew my membership) was simple

I drove 300 miles round trip to the dinner dance last year , I had said I would not make the Dinner but would make it for a drink
300 miles is a long way for a drink seeing as I dont drink (due to the miles i do)
you would say that the only reason for going was to support the club and meet a few peeps names to faces!

I took her indoors with me and introduced her to quite a few peeps
at that time Tim (Rattler) was speaking with Mr Bushell, I duly waited my turn to speak with Mr Bushell, when they had finished talking , I moved in with my hand held firmly out to introduce myself and my partner, at this point MR Bushell turned his back on me and walked away !

My Partner and I had never been treated so rudely !
A PM a few days l8ter from MR Bushel to say he did not even no I was there was sent.
apology accepeted by me, as I know he is a very busy man
But ,
I know all my customers, and I go out of my way to know who I'm dealing with etc etc

so the reason I did not renew was I felt I was not accepted as a customer of the DSC..

Mav

Thats because you looked common like the majority of us :lol:


Fair point tho Mav !

my old man (god rest his sole) brought me up to treat all people the way I would like to be treated !
Apart from the baseball bat joke's (those that Know me ) know I would not do you a bad turn if i could not do you a good turn First !!!

mav

Jools, firstly, thanks for posting. It's nice to know that someone on the MT is prepared to.


The choice is between lumping the MT together as one entity or naming individual MT members specifically for criticism. As I have no knowledge of the workings of the MT and how/who makes the running, it is only fair to choose the former. A number of the MT member are friends of mine who I don't believe for a moment would have agreed to moderating Henners' posts. For all I know, the decision was made by one individual MT member but, as the decision has been presented as a Management Team decision, then it's the MT as an entity that I'm calling to account specifically to avoid 'having a pop' at individuals.

If you wish to be seen as an individual and not tarred with the same brush then you will have to start declaring you individual position on the subject at hand. (I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't, just pointing out that you would have to if you want to avoid the tar.)


I confess that it was my intent to provoke a reaction - not in the Troll sense but to get some kind of dialog going with either the MT or the members of the MT. Jools, you posted, I'm replying... that's dialog. Having no word from MT/MT members for two days whilst the rank-and-file slug it out in an un-becoming fashion is not a responsible way to deal with the issue.


All very interesting and worthy and I agree with all of it. But it is not the subject of this thread: Is Henners Banned from posting?


Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. There are lots of issues being raised, but let's keep it simple. It boils down to this:

Is it right that Henners posts have to be reviewed and judged whether they are deemed worthy of being placed on this forum when, as far as I know, he hasn't contravened any of the T&C in any of his posts?

Bearing in mind that last quote, Jools, is it fair?

Getting back to the original thread I have had no response from Frank or the MT when I asked the question along the lines of there is nothing in the forum rules for moderation, Frank quoted the rules which were posts can be edited, deleted etc but there is no mention of moderation. I asked surely Henners can post then and his posts could simply be removed after this time not before going by the current forum rules??? Still waiting for an explanation of the above thats all.

Apologies for not replying faster JPM but between my 12 hour shift work and what currently feels like around 40 hours a week on this website as well, I'd not noted the request for my reply.

Can I express a personal opinion, to the original question:

Is Henners banned from posting?

Nope - he isnt, he can read posts on the board and still post BUT,his posts are not visible to the 'public' until they have been ratified by a moderator.

As far as my information goes a decision was made by the majority of the MT that Henners posts would be moderated in the short term, this in my mind is better than the other possible option of a temporary ban - meaning no access to the site for that account.

Is moderation specifically mentioned in the T&C's ?
No it isnt - neither is banning a member for abusive or threating posts, yet we accept that as a necessary measure and TRUST the webteam to try and act in a decent and as open a way as possible.

Surprisingly enough, I dont have a political agenda of any sort on this message board; I like to read about Ducati's, be informed and about two weeks ago I even managed a ride out on my own Ducati.

Quite a few posts on the board recently (in my opinion) have a hidden and usually self-motivated background. Some users see themselves as champions of various causes to oust the management teams for whatever reason that I'm not particularly interested in. I view those posts as damaging to the club generally and personally saddening that instead of providing genuine solutions they simply attack an 'easy' target - which, at the end of the day is simply trying to provide a medium where we can enjoy our love of motorcycles.

Regards - Frank

Cheers Frank for clarifying...

I just find it hard to believe that Henners posted something that was such a flagrant contravention of T&C items 1.1 (Flaming), 1.2 (Trolling), 1.3 (Spamming), 1.4 (Bumping) or 1.5 (Offensiveness) that could possibly justify moderating his posts.


So if it wasn't for abusive posts... it couldn't possibly be that the MT ordered it simply because he has said things that the MT don't agree with??

Times like this when ringing or pm'ing the MT members would be the best course of action.

Much as i'm an advocate for freedom of speech, there's times when it does more harm than good....

what you rekon ?

weeksy whose hand is up your back this week as this doesnt sound like the weeksy i know:p
it is best things are out in the open i think as there is to much hidden in emails.
as i said to you at cadwell talking about things is best to do and clear the air:)

No-ones mate... as you may have seen from a couple of threads i've started recently, i just want the good old days back.

I don't really do politics and think although you have a point about them being out in the open, surely not every single point of contention of every single post and thread needs to be disected and torn apart time and time again... i've had enough of it all.

I'll keep saying it.... i don't support the MT, i don't support the RC, i don't support anyone apart from my friends who race and the club i used to love being a part of. Unlike some on here, my only agenda is to see the club and it's members happy again.

like the rest of us mate:)
thats why it all needs bringing out in the open and getting rid of.
all the time things are behind closed doors nobody knows what goes on.
hope usual service here is sorted out soon when decent answers have been given

i'll tell them to *&!%&* off :)

Can add your roundel if you wish tho Weeksy.

After he has paid for it! :) :)

like I've said before, there are a lot of people that do things to support this club, both members and non that you will NEVER be party too, when you finally get round to adding any value whatsoever to this club you can then tell me to **** off, until then wind your neck in .....

find me something destructive where there wasn't a genuine principle involved ? go on, theres another challenge ....

then again its more likely you'll find it easier to just have a personal dig, thats what happens when you are challenged intellectualy you revert to being an angry man with no real reply.

I won't even lower myself to insulting you as you honestly aren't worth it.

Have a nice day in your "i've paid £20 and must be obeyed" bubble.

Good lad ....

As long as you don't think all of us with a roundal are company men I won't take offence. :)

not at all mate, I treat people as I find them, some of the finest people I know have roundals ... :)

Cheers I'd heard you were a good guy. :) :)

weeksy is right
there is nothing to be achieved by washing your dirty laundry in public
some may think you will achieve what you want by asking for answers in the public forum
but in reality you will only single yourselves out
the quickest way to undermine any uprising is to let them hang themselves in public
the club will always survive as its to big to go under
how ever big you think you are
toe the line or get alienated

Communism at it's best then Keefer? LOL!!!

Er has anyone given the clear concise answer to the original question:confused: i.e.

NO

no spin, no BS, nothing to get wound up about, it wasn't exactly and open question was it:D


Simple innit,

Ray.

It hasn't gone un-noticed. There has been plenty of time and opportunity to for the MT (Sorry Jools) to provide us with some answers. I think we can assume that unless we get an official response today then we aren't getting one. I will be posting my own conclusions from all this tomorrow.

See post no. 2 on page 1. Was that not the answer to the question?

I have just picked up on this and am not going to read the entire thread to see what has been put up earlier, but as I understand it (I am the Club Secretary), no Henners is not banned from the DSC or from posting on this message board.

Apparently not:lol:

Ray.

Perhaps we can draw some conclusions from responses like that...

Perhaps we can draw some conclusions from responses like that..

Ray

Is this getting really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really really, really really, really really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, silly now?.............., you bet:lol:

Keep it real.

Are you wearing a baseball cap by any chance?

I just had visions of you leaning back with your arms crossed in front of you :lol:

'sup g !

That's not exactly correct is it (Chris?) and Henners will not be able to reply promptly in defence as his posts are being "moderated" ;)

It is correct Tony, He is not banned and has not been stopped from posting!
It's just that his post's are moderated ! so by the time the web team reads and posts them they will be irrelevant to the post as the speed of the post has moved on !

Or am I thick?

Sheeeeeeeesh I didn't think the work webcam was in range:lol:

Maybe you can help with this one, we got "surf Control" at "work" now, does this mean I just I just buy a board, hop on wave and look as cool as Kelly Slater and the Surf control ECU sorts it all out for me??:D

respec'

Ray.

A paid up member has requested that this thread be closed.

Since the user mentioned in the title thread has also requested the same, I feel the time is right to complete the requests.

Can I suggest that any use of moderation methods that any users are unhappy with can either be posted to the webteam or discussed at the AGM or any possible meeting prior to then.

Webteam email:

webteam@ducatisportingclub.com

Kind Regards - Frank

N.B. - I have closed this thread for the reasons above.