Sounds like a load of B***ox to me :lol:

FFS Man you must have balls of steel :lol:

I can't even pick up my tool case out of the Van :eek:
Because work are hot on H&S they will not let me return to work untill
all wounds have healed due to the chemicals we use.

Make the most of it! Get in front of the TV, put your feet up and watch the MotoGP action from Phillip Island!

Yes watched it this morning :) I hope Canepa's ok

Yeah, didn't he hit a bird? Looks like he hurt himself!

Crikey, post highjack alert

good post well argued Miss Riot. Completely agree it is a pain in the neck choosing - I recall racing 250 when we had slicks, inters and wets and boy did we get it wrong sometimes. (apologies from an old(er) racer who does not run in DD - I clearly have nothing of value to add here):confused: :lol:

Quote Miss Riot

"I don't mean to step on anyone's toes here, but I LOVE PIRELLI!

They warm up super-quick so when the weather's half decent, you can totally cane it from lap one. Who needs warmers? There'd be all that rushing to the holding area at the very last minute instead of the current race to get there half hour before the first call-out to be first out on track and avoid all the traffic. My fastest race lap at Castle Combe was on about lap two, on tyres that had already done Oulton and Cadwell!

Which brings me to another point... They last ages. And when you do have to finally buy a new set, they're cheap as chips compared to the price of today's tyres!

The road-tyre tread and compound means they're good in the damp or wet. It'd be the worst thing ever to introduce wets in the series - I can't even make up my mind on what shoes to bring at a race meeting, let alone what tyre to go for in dubious conditions. I always feel so sorry for those peeps who have to make last-minute decisions! If I were on my own at a race meeting, like at Donington race two this year, it'd be a disaster! Plus I'd rather save my spare rear wheel for older scrubs to use for track day practice so I don't waste my best rear tyre. And wets would be no more safer - people would simply go faster and crash more. At the moment there seems to be more crashes in DD when the weather's lovely as people are less cautious and go MENTAL! Like Tim :-)

Letter notwithstanding, the Pirellis are tried and tested in the series. Riders put in super-fast laptimes using them with no complaints.

In my opinion, PIRELLI DIABLOS ROCK! And I seriously doubt any of us would really notice the subtle difference between H and ZR rated on a DD bike. I'd be disappointed if I were to do the championship next year (not sure at mo) and Pirellis weren't used anymore.

Oh, and I'm not sponsored by Pirelli, ask Holbeach! I bought all my tyres from them this year, except one set kindly donated to me by FWR Tyres. Who like Holbeach get them directly from Pirelli...

Still, it's good to look at other tyres and deals at the end of the season. It'd certainly be cool to get hold of Rossos. But I don't think it's worth going all handbags at dawn about it"






It's the competitors and race organisers choice for sure

WeeJohnyB

tyres
 

can next years tyres be round please and black if possible, although I'm not sure if that matters, maybe ducati would manufacture some red ones!

ren ones
 

used to be able to get coloured remoulds by a firm called skorpian in red i think msn tested them too! looked lovely! :eek:

And Tomahawk made tyres in a choice of Blue or Yellow and got a few stunt riders to use them. I remember going to a OPen day at George Whites and watching a couple of Stunt riders using them, they did spin up well making Doughnuts in a confined space look easy, I say look because if I tried that i'd end up in a heap on the floor

mmmm Donuts!

Well the dead line for suggesting rule changes is just about up
Thanks to those that emailed in their suggestions or views

I should think an initial draft of the 2010 rules will soon be issued along with entrant registration forms for those wanting to enter Desmo Due next season.

I hear the maxxis proposal was rejected........... so what rubber are we using ? Pirelli ?

On what basis can you say that the Maxxis proposal has been rejected?

As the RC has not met yet and therefore no decisions have been taken, the above is completely false!

Chris

I ment to say........ missed the boat on the maxxis deal!

Thanks for the update Chris :)

So what tyres are we using for 2010 ?
I need new tyres for my DD bike ?

The Maxxis deal is still on the table and the dialogue continues with them, they obviously would like an established series with a full grid to promote their products. I would estimate that a decision will be made in the next couple of weeks on tyres.

One might think that at the end of a season there wasn't that much to do, it actually is a very busy administration time for those that run race series, to ensure that arrangements are in place for the next year.

Oh well back to a review of the 2010 rules!

Will this be a decision based on the opinions and wishes of the competitors and after proper testing, or will the decision be made for us, Chris?

I ask this, because we usually have a review of rules etc, then have a vote on it. Will this be happening again?

Cheers,

Tim.

Yes I fully understand it's a busy time for race series organisers.

Thanks for the update on the tyre deal :)

I can get 160 /120 maxxis tyres fitted for £99 from my local maxxis dealer
with my ACU discount and help they have given me this year in DD.
They normally retail at £129.99.

But there seemed to be a anti maxxis switch looking at other threads in this
Section of the forum.

Maybe Maxxis will go Formula 1 now Bridgestone have pulled the plug ?
Good old Bernie E!

Tim, I'm glad you brought up testing.....Sam West, myself, Ghost, Imola Duke have all ridden on the Maxxis and recommended positively, and both Andy Shep and you have been offered some to test but I got no response.....

I'm not anti Maxxis, or pro Pirelli but I hope something more scientific than just price is used as a measure for the decision/vote?

If I were fighting for a championship, I'm not sure I'd risk testing a new tyre to the limit, but there again its a long time since I was at the front!

Alternatively an either/or rule is used at the start of the season and performance/results/crashing will soon show the way to go?
How democratic is that?:D

not practical
 

thats not a practical solution as we are i assume looking for a sponsorship deal from either or any manufacturer based on a sole use policy?????

Ultimately the priority must be to have the best, safest, most suitable, appropriate wear characteristics, etc tyre available for the type of use to which the series is going to be put them. It is ulitimately the only piece of contact between the rider and the tarmac (ok except when they fall off!). Any "sponsorship" deal is a secondary consideration, from the point of view that I am sure there are many suppliers of product (not restricting these comments to tyres) who will offer wonderfull deals to push their products, regardless of suitability - that should not be an overriding consideration.

In discussions with various tyre manaufacturers the fact that this is a 50/60bhp series and we run at both ends of the year (read cold) the warming up period is important for safety - the existing Diablo has proven consistantly to be more than up to the job. Again everyone that we have talked to over the years has advised that if we were running over the 90hp mark, we should be allowing wets - for safety- but we are not in that position.

Whilst price does have a bearing, I am sure we could go to Super Corsa, intermediates and wets to get a massive tyre bill for the year, one needs to be realistic. We wouldn't be racing on the cheapest fitment we could find and by the same token dont need to go to the opposite extreme.

The RC has answers to most of the information that it needs and the final bits are expected this week, so a decision is immenant.

I perhaps understand what you mean now, having received a couple of e-mails when I opened up the system this morning.

An idea to run two classes with 80 & 110 bhp and little or no other rules and on Maxxis tyres. Just a quick review of what has been forwarded would indicate that to be competitive might require a money pit of expense to keep at the front of the series.

So I might want a 749R - say £6K, followed by proper Ohlins (dont know the model numbers), best Brembo radial brakes, nemisis ECU with a couple of maps on it, full engine strip and prep at JHP, full exhaust system (£2K), and the list goes on. A quick add up on a piece of paper has me north of at least £12K, more like £15K - before you start racing.

We already know that you could dyno that bike at any time you want and it would make no more than 110bhp at the rear wheel. To sucessfully protest you would have to prove use of another map, etc - which is impossible.

As I beleive AK and others have pointed out they appear to be looking at bikes that are at least 8 years old (if one ignores the 749) and that to reach the HP limits you are going to have to do engine work, etc (my carbed 900SS wouldn't make over 70hp at the rear wheel without engine work and a std 748 is about 90bhp at the rear wheel - you aren't going to get 20hp with a chip and exhaust).

There are also existing grids for such bikes within race Clubs, ok maybe not Ducati only, but to find 30 people willing to commit to such an idea and then put their money down could well be a tall order.

Desmo Due has so many rules, so that you cant just spend money, much like the Superstock rules - to keep basic cost of bike preparation down. If we opened them up to just an HP limit as a means of control, the options for spending money would be un-bounded.

Chris

Most people like pancakes.
Flour, eggs, milk.
Simple.
Everyone should eat pancakes, and have a great time.
Long live the pancake.

I have sourced some eggs which may be cheaper and make a better pancake.

I have the flour, milk, eggs, a heated pan and things are cooking nicely on one side. I just need a t0sser.............

Quite a few of them about, it seems... ;)

Considerably more than a few, I would wager. :devil:

Now exactly how do you get a "batter(ee)" into a t0ster...???? LOL !

I know a better pancake recipe than that...........!:lol:

Itisch good, yah?

Please read my simple requests
 

Would like to see a more wildly available tyre and limiting power and torque not just engine mods. The weigh issue is a big one, I raced this year at 180kg plus body weight, would be nice to combine rider/bike; however enforcement I see as a very difficult challenge (one for the organisers).

Would also like to see split starts, nothing worse as a class B racer is to be held up by a slower class A who is quicker off the line. No lack of respect meant here but fact is that Class A’s are quicker down the straights, especially frustrating when your split between these bikes
:frog:

Policing costs money.
Lose as much weight as you can then, off bike and rider.
Racing is racing, don't worry about the classes, just beat the guy in front of you.
oh...and have fun!

So what you are trying to say is that Harriet Ridley has to carry a pillion???
Somehow I can not see that one getting past the ACU;)


Chris:burn:

[quote=Imola Duke]
OAP... Thanks Steve:D (Not yet but no doubt DD next year will put years on me)!!

don't want to poke the fire (too much) but I have just come across some pretty negative stuff regarding a certain brand of tyres when looking for some info on the GS..

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206672

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170225

Understand that this could be unsubstantiated internet opinion but if it is true….

Quote:

I spoke to a couple of people in the trade regarding these and apparently the sports touring tyres are getting very good feedback from customers.

Not really helpfull at all, Ian. I clicked one of the links you provided and there as many positve comments about that particular brand of tyre as there are negative. So what are we to read into this?

The decision as to the make/model of tyre to be used in DD in 2010 will, I;m sure, be made without consideration to opinions on random message boards.

I dont see any value whatsoever in poking this metaphorical fire any more than it has been already. It seems to have been enflamed already to the point that riders would rather leave DD - which is to the detriment of the series and the DSC, not too mention the paddock friendships being split apart.

Sounds like a load of hot air to me :lol:

interesting post:confused:
but as you are not a dsc member let alone not ever raced in the dd series and to the best of my knowledge you havent raced at all i dont think that the post is at all helpful and you are just blowing smoke ***

totally agree with jasons comments as he is a racer and also is an impartial fella.

As a new member, and owner of a DD class B bike now just a few thoughts on tyres. Please feel free to comment/ignore.

I know you have been using the pirreli option for a number of years, nowt wrong with that. The talk is of a new spec for next year.

Their have been a number of points raised:

Are any proposed tyre suitable - manufacturers market and produce tyres for specific use. CE marking etc. I am sure a motocross tyre would not be proposed by any manufacturer, but could be fun though!

Any new tyres would take getting used to - good for your riding skill? more of a level playing field for existing and new DD riders?

Cost - racing is NOT cheap, no matter what class.

Personal preference - is this just clever marketing? You have used brand B and have heard stories abut brand C that arent good, or vice versa. How many DD riders take a tyre to its perfomace limit? I have no idea, but one tyre for all does make skill/b*lls a telling factor.

Anyway, looking forward to a new season in a new class.

Cranker

Another thing about the tyre issue is, if like me you have already bought 2 sets of diablo's for next year and if these are going to be replaced with a different tyre then that's a big £320 out of pocket before even turning a wheel.

If a new tyre is introduced could it not run along side existing diablo's ?

Guys,

The whole question of tyres is the last thing to be resolved for 2010.

Let us be clear that riders will be able to use up Diablos next year they will not be ruled out of the series.

Now as to the position of supply of Diablos, a possible replacement from Pirelli, etc that is close to a resolution. We are however reliant on others to supply conformation of the exact situation, before we can make any announcements.

Be confident that the tyre used by Desmo Due will be suitable, fit for purpose, etc. I can also confirm that there is no chance that you will be racing on an Avon Speedmaster/Safety Mileage combination - the correct sizes are not available!

Chris