And normal procedure is to code them at PDI as I'm led to believe.

My information is yes.
Dave reillys bike was started when new with the red key,after his off at snetterton a secondhand (delivery mileage) uncoded set of clocks were fitted and hey presto it ran fine!
Butch

But has anybody tried disabling the immobiliser - which could simply 'uncode' the clocks - and then tried using them on another bike ?

I think I'm going to have to try this out with the race bike's clocks, and then fit them on the road bike to see what happens.
I would really like a get-out-of-jail routine in case it mucks up one of them !
I hate working without a specification :o

There's still the problem of being able to run without the clocks. Who wants to use std clocks when just a tacho is needed? Is there a way of disabling the immobiliser? Steve at Italia in Lincoln wasn't aware of one.

Owner's Manual page 16 is titled
'Procedure to disable immobilizer engine block through throttle twistgrip'

I've seen that but that doesn't permanently disable it, does it? Nor does it get around not being able to run without the clocks which, is what I need to do.

This is a total nightmare, isn't it?

Got a copy of the updated haynes manual today - it has a much longer write-up than the owners manual :P

- the manual disable is temporary.

- it doesnt mention the clocks at all - mostly just the ecu, with a brief note (chapter 4 section 7 paragraph 7) '... to allow information transfer between the decoder and the ecu ...' so i would guess the clocks have a 'secret' decoder function which stores all the key transponder ids.

I've just looked up the fim u59 price - £450 from sigma !!!!
That sounds like a spare set of clocks, ecu and power commander to me :D

Power commander £195

New clocks £365 :o

ECU ?

So lets add it all up properly then ...
(all contributions gratefully received)

fim u59 = £450 from sigma
race tacho = £200 +
total about £650

clocks = £365 (list ?)
ecu = £100 second-hand ?
pc3 = £200
total about £665

(then add setup costs to either route)