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couchcommando 17-May-2006 12:39

Quote:

Originally posted by AGE996

The old argument of win on Sunday sell on Monday is no more from Ducati !

The bike you buy in the show room only looks like the race bike ! The race bike only wins because of it's traction control system/electronics, In the USA where they can't run the electronics because they can't run a front wheel speed sensor and they are well off the pace !

Any sensible person would buy a jap 1000 as they are alot cheaper and alot quicker.

Sorry Ducati as I have said before I have bought my Last Ducati.

[Edited on 16-5-2006 by AGE996]

TBH the Japanese bikes that are racing only look like the showroom bikes.
Trouble is as you ahev proved is people only buy what is winning. I've ridden all the litre bikes and still now have the 999. 130hp is enough for the road, trouble is as you have said and included yourself being seen on anything other than the winning bike and riding with less than 160 hp isn't acceptable to those who value image and others opinions :)

moto748 17-May-2006 13:25

Ducatis have never been as quick as the fastest Jap bikes; this isn't a new phenomenon, nor particularly related to the 999.

But I'n sure there's a sizeable sector of the market who don't use that as their principal criterion for buying a bike. Like the members of this forum, maybe? ;)

It's up to Ducati to attract this sector with bikes they want to buy. And it's not really about about subjective opinions about whether the 916 or the 999 is the better looking bike (although of course we all have opinions on that). There's more fundamental matters to consider.
For example, as even the champions of the earlier bikes must admit (and I guess I'm one), they had, to put it kindly, certain "issues" which may well have put people off buying them. This list includes (and is not restricted to: we can all make our own) short-lived clutches, dodgy rectifiers, high servicing costs, and discomfort for many riders. Whatever the 999 has succeeded in, it has largely failed to address these issues (except, partially, maybe, the last). Not only that, but it has introduced flaws that the older bikes didn't have, such as hydraulics that seem to require bleeding every five minutes, and non-user-friendly electrics. Build quality, far from improving, has arguably deteriorated. It's my firm belief that one of the main design factors for the 99 was "make it cheaper to assemble".

Ducati had some flawed, but still well-liked bikes. They have failed to build on that legacy, and fairing shape is the least of it.

Ozz 17-May-2006 13:47

Well stated Fred. So you are not changing the 748 yet then??

chicken 17-May-2006 20:27

I like the look of this.

So how well do you think the monster 695 will sell?



[Edited on 17-5-2006 by chicken]

chicken 17-May-2006 20:35

and for the comparison in case you've not seen it....




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