I am waiting - still not sure of the rules and shed loads too much to read...not sure of costs and cant afford a couple fo grand (already have the bike)...really appeals but more to think about...if it is only DSC peeps (and I know it wont exactly be friendly!!) then I would be 80% sure to do. If not, 100% wont.

Bradders-rule 1-only members of DSC may take part-in other words if they ain't members then they have to join to compete. Rules are virtually there, just need a technical check with Neil Spalding.

Rough Draft
2 classes 583cc and 620/675
no engine mods apart from big bore kit.
Carburetors may be changed but inlet manifolds and valves must be standard.
standard fork outers, modified internals allowed, modded rear shock allowed.
Exhaust mods allowed, with re-jetting or ecu chip change.
Footrest position can be changed.
Handlebars can be changed.
Fairing can be added or removed.
Standard wheels with 3.5 front 4.5 rear rims
Road legal moulded tread tyres-probably from an allowable list.
Wets-we will take a vote amongst paid up entrants as to whether or not to allow them.
Brakes, twin disk's are allowable but must be standard model specific.

Thats about it so get your entries in.

John

Those rules are looking very attractive Monty, could you consider the following changes to your Rough Draft as shown in bold type in brackets, Also for entrants remember you will have to run race numbers as per ACU regs

2 classes 583cc and 620/675
no engine mods apart from big bore kit.
Carburetors may be changed ( Hopefully not Keihin smoothbores very pricey unless only in the big bore class) but inlet manifolds and valves must be standard.
standard fork outers, modified internals allowed, modded rear shock allowed.
Exhaust mods allowed, with re-jetting or ecu chip change. (Hopefully allowed to use K&N, nice induction sound)
Footrest position can be changed.
Handlebars can be changed.
Fairing can be added or removed.
Standard wheels with 3.5 front 4.5 rear rims
Road legal moulded tread tyres-probably from an allowable list.
Wets-we will take a vote amongst paid up entrants as to whether or not to allow them.
Brakes, twin disk's are allowable but must be standard model specific. ( or any Ducati OE part if using single disc setup)

[Edited on 19-10-2004 by skidlids]

Boys,

I will take these last mods to the rules with me when I meet up with Neil on Friday lunch time. I will post no later than Monday morning the final rules, so that people can make their decision.

On the face of Skidlids suggestions, my views are:

1) Anyone going to expensive carbs, would be better off starting with a 620 and it will be cheaper anyway + he would still be 5hp down on a 620 unless he bores it.

2) K&N filters are allowed.

3) If single disc, I think that any OE equipment is probably ok, but no radial calipers or other trick bits.

Confirmation on Monday.

Currently I have 10 deposits in the file, so we need to find some more fairly quickly.

Chris

Chris, re wet tyres

We need an option for all conditions - dry, wet/dry and wet.

Dry is usually obvious, it's a Super Corsa ar similar. Wet/dry is tricky - depending on the circumstances, you'll fall off in the damp on an SC. In the wet, you either need a good quality treaded road tyre and reduced lap times or you allow wets. Personally I'd allow wets, a set should last the year as long as the rider only uses them in the wet.

This year has been a nightmare for tyre choice. Often half the circuit has been wet and the other dry. At Donny at the weekend I went out with a wet front and dry rear and came in after two laps as four had fallen already and my rear was slipping all over the place and it was only a matter of time before I was next.

It does add a couple of hundred to the cost, but it allows for safer racing in all conditions.

Regs are taking shape nicely though, well done for listening and persisting with it.

WeeJohnyB

As for sharing the grid with another series, let's hope we get the minimum that we can agree with New Era that they don't put anyone else on with us, however, it's commercial reality I'm afraid. If it's under what's agreed, or numbers change during the year, fact is they'll put others out with the Ducs. It would be a shame, but by no means the end of the world - you'd still have the same people having the same amount of fun racing with their mates. (although I believe there will be a lot of 'new' friends as we'll fill the grid with people who are not currently members of the DSC and will only join to race).

WeeJohnyB

WJB

With regard to your comments on tyres, I have to say that I am in agreement with what you have said. However as Monty has posted, if the majority of participants for reason of cost wish to ban wets, then personally I dont have a problem with it.

I suppose this all boils down to the fact that racing has never been a budget activity.

Chris

Gents,

where has the 5.5 inch rear rim option gone?

This was std on a 900ss etc and its easier to find 180/120 tyre pairs at competitive prices than 170 widths......

I'll admit that I'm biased as I want to use the rims off my 888 rather than have to buy two sets of everything, and I don't think that the extra inch will make that much difference.

At least, that's what she tells me...... :lol:

Cheers,
Paul

Paul,

This one is still open to some debate, there is a greater range of tyres in the 180 size rather than the std (160?). The discussion has been focused round the additional costs incurred for people in buying replacement wheels.

You cant have it both ways, either we tighten the rules or you guys will be spending more money.

Chris

Things are looking up. Rules, keep 'em simple and cheap. Mix and match standard bits as far as possible but no 999r motors in a 600ss frame!!

If anyone needs some help building or running a bike OOp North let me know. I'll do what I can.

Ray.

I've sent a cheque now - so it must be 11 at least!!!!

Boys,

I got Tim's cheque so we are up to 11 now. I have just got off the phone from one guy who has put a deposit in and his mate is going to sign up next wee.

Monty, Neil and I are going to debate the final thoughts on the rules tomrrow amd I will post up the definative list on Monday morning. There are no great surprises expected as a result of these discussions.

We now need to get much nearer to the 25 that we need so that we can have a strong position with the ACU when we sit down with them in a couple of weeks.

Chris

Still keeping my options open, its really a bit early to commit at the moment as like previous years this years racing has given the old finances a good bashing and as usual the off season is required to sort things out.
Now if the GSXR600K2 or'and 748 sell then I'll send in my money and sort a bike.
In the mean time next week I hope to see my mates that Sponsored the SoT and Minitwins at NG Road Racing this year and enlist their support in allowing Desmo Due spec bikes onto the Grid as a Minitwin.
The current roumour around NG at the moment is that next years tracks will be
Pembrey
Darley Moor
Donnington
Thruxton
Silverstone
Brands Hatch
Cadwell Park
So should certainly provide a few more oppotunities to get out and race.

I'm seriously thinking about it too, looking at a nice M600 which will do the job but may well have to part with the S4r if I'm to come racing next year and buy a cheaper road bike or use the M600 as road and race bike, serious decisions to be made :puzzled::puzzled:

Darren

Your right there Kev, Steve Bostock rang me yesterday and confirmed the circuits that you have listed, this will be the first time in NG's history that airfield circuits havent been used, that is a big leap forward for the club I recon. I think it would be great to tag the Desmo Due series onto the thunder and mini twin grid. I am like yourself already committed with Tom Luton, entered for the NW200 and Manx GP and gets the use of a couple of 996's, plus a full club series, which at this stage will probably be NG. If the rule book suits me, I could still be tempted to put a little "knocker" together for someone to ride as I would already be at the circuit ?

I'll let you know how I get on next week Richard, in the meantime NG provisional calender is now out and is as follows

DATE ---- VENUE ------ EVENT
Feb 26 Sat Pembrey Test/training day
Feb 27 Sat Pembrey Test/training day
Mar 19 Sat Pembrey Round 1
Mar 20 Sun Pembrey Round 2
Apr 16 Sat Darley Moor Round 3
Apr 17 Sun Darley Moor Round 4
May 7 Sat Silverstone Round 5
May 21 Sat Cadwell Park Round 6
May 22 Sun Cadwell Park Round 7
Jun 11 Sat Brands Hatch Round 8
Jun 12 Sun Brands Hatch Round 9
Jul 16 Sat Pembrey Round 10
Jul 17 Sun Pembrey Round 11
Aug 7 Sun Donington Round 12
Sep 3 Sat Pembrey Round 13
Sep 4 Sun Pembrey Round 14
Oct 8 Sat Thruxton Round 15
Oct 8 Sat Thruxton Evening Party

Ok boys the definitive rules are:

Motorcycles to be based on Ducati 2 valve air cooled V-twin 600/620 built post 1992 and the maximum capacity allowed will be 675cc.
All Motorcycles must conform with the construction and use regulations as set out by the ACU for motorcycle road racing.

Chassis
· Frames must be standard Ducati, but material may be added but not removed. Chassis based on Ducati Monster may have rear chop
· Standard Ducati swing-arms must be used but these can be taken from any Ducati model. Material may be added but not removed.
· Suspension, the rear shock may be changed. Front fork internals are free, externals should be applicable to the model to which they are fitted-externally adjustable forks are NOT allowed.
· Brakes,any standard production Ducati discs and caliper(s) and any bar lever and master cylinder assembly may be used.
Note: If using twin disks brake lines must be seperate below bottom fork clamp-construction and use regs.
· Wheels to be standard Ducati production 17" diameter 3.5" front and 4.5" rear.
· Non track essential road equipment may be removed. Fairings may be added.
· Tyres must have a moulded road legal tread.
· Wets are allowed. (Safety issue)
· Tyre warmers are allowed.
· Suspension linkage is free.
· Oil catching undertray is required. This must hold 4 litres minimum.
· Minimum weight is 150kg
Engine
· Overbores within the class capacity limit are allowed.
· Compression limit to be 12 Bar
· Valves, camshafts and cylinder head porting must be original and not modified.
· Clutch and clutch operating system is free
· Connecting rods and crank assembly must be standard and unmodified
· Inlet manifolds, carburettors and fueling can be modified or changed.
· Exhaust pipes and mufflers can be modified or changed
· The Alternator must charge and electric start must work at the end of the race.
· Fuel standard freely available unleaded road gasolene must be used.

Thats it folks, there will be one class not 2 as I previously suggested since we will not be allowed to run 2 classes on the same grid. There are no big bore kits available for the 620 engines so an overbored 583 should be competitive.

John

Boys,

Ok then we now know what the rules are going to be and we have 12 deposits. I need to see some more completed forms coming through the letter box this week, so that we can take this forward.

Please indicate to me (with a U2U) that you are sending a form in, so that I can track progress.

Chris

Thanks for the regs John,would it be possible to have them in printable format.
Thanks

Grahame

See seperate thread for the final rules/regs.

Boys & Girls,

I have just been on to the thread with the finalised rules on it and seen that it has been downloaded 40 times now! This is very encouraging and because of this I assume that we should be seeing some completed entry forms through the post in the not to distant future.

Could I ask you to indicate your interest, so that I can have an idea of numbers, for the further conversations we are having with the ACU, etc.

Chris

i am interested but very confused by the above posts

i would be interested but on a very low budget so all the talk of mods is a bit off putting especially as the bike will go to my missus when ive finished racing it.

ive only ever done 2 track schools but feel confident enough to enter if only for a laugh and the experience. my mates agreed to be my spanner man and provide me with his bike trailer

whats the cost of entering the championship and cost of each round

are we able to get a good deal on the tyres as we'll have 25+ bikes on the grid

how difficult is it to get a acu licence

any sensible costs and advice appreciated

chris you have a u2u too

cheers

dave :frog:

Just a quick note to all those who think they need to spend a ton of money to be quick...



Once you can ride the monster like that, you can spend money on go faster bits. :frog:Hey, maybe this should be another rule for Desmodue racing.:lol: But then again, if you can ride like that, you'll probably be winning already.:D: WeeJohnyB will know what I am on about.

Felix, you have NO idea how long it took me to STOP him riding the TZ like that. It's been interesting this year to see WJB's style change from the outlandish but very effective style needed to hussle a CB500 round a track into the much more tucked in style needed for a GP bike. Interesting thing is he now seems to be able to switch from one to the other, race the TZ, come back in and jump on the CB500 and race that.

John

How are things going with this? Got a 600 Monster we might be looking to sell you see!

yes, very flattering and all, I've got a few piccies like the one above, but I've got a LONG way to go before I'm quick on the TZ and funnily enough, swapping bikes has lost me my edge on the CB5. I can still hoon it round the track, but the tenth here and there that keeps you ahead of the guy two inches from your handlebars has momentarily gone.

I can never explain what it is, but I cannot ride ANY bike to the insane level that I can ride a CB5. I wish I had the magic trick, cause I'd be bleedin rapid if I could.....and that's not me blowing my own trumpet, anyone that's had a go of my CB5 (and that's loads of peeps) agree that for some unknown reason, that nobody I've ever met can fathom out, you can brake later, carry more corner speed and get on the gas quicker than anything else I've ever ridden. All from 49.5 bhp, road tyres, a single disc and bongy bongy suspension. Fabulous....makes me smile even typing this.

I'm guessing having ridden a Monster around Mallory that anyone racing one of these will have a similar experience. CB5 racing is like two wheeled dodgems, which is quite unlike racing the TZ or the 600's races that I've raced in. There is a 'given' that you are totally nuts and agree when you go on the grid that it is acceptable to shunt someone off, or be shunted.

I've said it before and you're all totally bored of it by now, but I watched the CB5's race at Snetterton when Monty and I were on the TZ and the paying punter standing next to me at Russells chicane said to his son when asked which bike was racing next, "it's the best race of the day, it's the nutters on the CB5's". Funny, I watched a few other races at Russells and it was all quite polite, until the CB5's came on and it was total mayhem and carnage, just hilarious to watch. It can still get you me round in 1.25 and last years championship winner did a 1.23.

I really think some of the magic is down to it being a 'one make' series and it's why I've been so vocal about not allowing too many mods for Desmo Due. Keep it simple, let the rider do the talking and we'll (you'll) have some fabulous racing and great memories.

Speaking to Monty today on the BHC rideout, I do feel like it's time to move on, although, I'll still do the odd race on the CB5 and probably never sell it. I love it.

Let's hope that Monster racing gets off the ground, cause I think the racers will get a similar feeling from it.

WeeJohnyB

I was watching the CB5's from the pit wall at Donnington a few weeks back. Two of the riders were punching each other as they were going down the start finish straight! Several others were using the shoulder barge technique as well!!

Class.:D

yep, that's CB5 racing, pure class, excellent sportsmanship, thanks for making me :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

WeeJohnyB