I think the conservatives need to stop snuggling up to Mr.B.Liars policies and offer some basic achievables. I don't think we are looking for an instant cure just a stop to the decline and a gradual, sustainable reversal. Less knee jerking, more thought into what is done. Do you for instance recall the number of about faces the government made on immigration policy within a couple of weeks around a year ago ? It just isn't workable, it didn't sort the problem then and they have no solution to it now.

If in your job you'd made such a monumental foul up of predicting the amount of EU immigration into this country would you expect a golden handshake and a fat pension or to be escorted off the premises complete with P45 ?

That lot 60 years ago made the fatal mistake of taking on Russia, thank goodness !! Had they not done so none of us would be writing openly on a forum such as this now. I very much doubt that had we been vanquished the Germans would have handed control of our country back to us and helped to rebuild it at a cost to their people. Surely all we need to do is introduce some fundamental basic common sense policies in our own country not take on the rest of the world ?

Going back to my earlier comments on the Walden articles, they do bear reading as I would imagine does his book (hint hint, Chrimbo on the horizon :-)

Must go and earn a crust, tax to pay and all that good wholesome British stuff that we love so much.

Ask the coppers.

Statistics are great.

So banning all legal ownership didn't see the drastic decline that you'd hope for given that a large number of law abiding people were deprived of a perfectly legitimate pastime when the ban came about? A massive cost in compensating them for the guns that were destroyed was loaded onto the general public.

If legal ownership had been the root cause wouldn't the ban have reduced the figures to a very low number ?

Ironically the government is now chasing its tail trying to work out how we can legally run the pistol shooting events at the Olympics when they come here.

Funny old world innit.

I'm not trying to debate whether your point of view is wrong or right, just trying to help you formulate a coherent argument without resorting to sweeping statements such as "vociferous minority groups" and "considerably more" without substantiating them.

Thats jolly decent of you old chap, good ere innit :lol:

I'd have to say that "considerably more" in the context used when considering that the handgun ban was going to be the universal panacea for the problem does have a smidgeon of relevance.........??

Anyone on this thread do any voluntary youth work, mentoring, childrens' panels, or are special constables for those of a more authoritarian bent? Anyone a member of a political party so they can at least have a small say in what policies are propounded, or a local councillor? There are ways to make a difference in this country if you can be arsed.

I have seriously thought about a couple of the above, But and its a big BUT I spend most of my time working to pay my excessive tax bill and Provide for MY family as well as the scroungers we breed. The time i do get off I either spend with my children Or Race........ What A life i lead ehhhhhh.

So on my one day off a week I rest, Was good enough for the maker so its good enough for me.

On my occasional day off I tinker with the bikes, or weather permitting ride them, or make ammunition for other interests!















I`m not really crazy officer!

Blimey!!!!

Just been sitting here reading all the posts that have been but up and can't quite belive what i've started! I just wanted to say thanks for all everyone thought for this poor woman and leaving some sort of respect for her even though non of us knew her! Flowers have been laid now!

I just have to know: Did you blow the kitty`s brains out or give him a saucer of milk!

Aha a home loader eh ;)