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But surely the BSB team run Pirellis I may be wrong but it does sound to me like that company wants to find a way into road racing from Supermoto & Moto-x and are happy to use DD as the Guinea Pigs. For about £400 to £600 tyre bill a year I'm more than happy to go with tried and tested Pirellis especially if it means we don't have to worry about Wets and warmers (both of which I have by the way, so the added cost to me would be minimal) I recenlty had a search for Maxxis tyres on bikes at the TT and came up blank with the majority of riders who are literally risking their necks favouring Pirelli/Dunlop/Michelin that in itself speaks volumes to me and is probably due to the developement tha has gone into those tyres from years of road racing at the highest levels. . |
Yes Kev, they do have to run Pirellis in BSB, and would like to have a gentle intro to road racing. They are suitable in wet or dry, WITHOUT warmers, and thats how the testing is being carried out, under the same conditions we have in DD. Guy Martin has tested the Superbike tyres and shed VERY favourable opinion on them, and so far, testing on a DD bike has gone very well. A second pair is being tested on a Class A bike by someone who finished very high up in Class B last year. Neither of us has anything personal to gain but I believe the series and its participants does. Should the testing be completed satisfactorily, then Maxxis will put together a proposal to supply tyres, to the RC, or to the DD riders themselves I guess. |
I had a discussion with their marketing/race guy at Brands April last year gave him a my Club card with e mail, phone details etc Never heard from him since !!!! |
You and I discussed it at Mallory Gordon, and it was agreed I would approach them, which I did, then you were going to take the results of that to the RC, and you then informed me that a decision had been taken to stick with Pirelli. We will have much more detail soon, and then it can be reconsidered, based on the fact that the deal will be much better for the riders due to the reduced costs they will face, and after all, keeping costs down is the whole ethos behind the series, we are always being told........it will certainly even out the riders as many can only afford to run on other peoples cast off scrubs, but will be able to afford new tyres. |
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So what are the results/facts How much cheaper will they be than the Diablos Would we use just one type of tyre or would we also need wets Will they offer more or less grip Will they wear better or worse What paddock support would there be These are the questions I would want answers to |
So do we all Kev. Firstly, tests are ongoing. when the full results are available they will be available. So far all looks promising. We are told NO WARMERS are necessary, and none have been/will be used in the tests, we are told they are suitable in wet or dry, warm quickly, and wear well too. So far, I have on one set of tyres, done more mileage than we would do in a season in practice and races, and the tyres have plenty left in them. Results on Class A bike are awaited, as are wet results. All I can say is that thus far the tests look promising, and I was VERY happy with the levels of grip available. Then its down to Maxxis to put their proposal forward to the appropriate people. Several other DD runners were present at the Mallory tests and seemed to be happy with how the tyres looked after being used...... Quote:
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We discussed this at Silverstone BSB meeting and yes we agreed you would make contact and in turn they would contact me as a member of the RC, as stated earlier no contact has been made by Maxxis since the discusssion I had with them last April. I tried to do some reasearch on the M6029's re performance, testimonials etc but there does not seem to be alot available. The likes of Dunlop,Michelin,Pirelli,Continental etc have invested millions in race and road tyre development over the years which is now incorporated in their standard range. I have found set's of Supermaxx in the price range of £180 down to £130 retail, would any savings over the season make a great difference ? They are still an unknown quantity. |
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I have just picked this discussion up, having been away for the last day or so. There is no point in entering into a debate on the forum with regard to a decison on tyres for the 2009 or subsequent seasons. The facts are that the RC and the MT were made aware of the situation that other suppliers were interested in supplying tyres at what appeared to be an attractive price to the Desmo Due series for the 2009 season before the end of 2008, Maxis were not the only one. The decison on tyres for the 2009 season was made on the basis of the facts available at the time. Whilst cost is a significant factor for the riders, it is not necessarily the be all and end all of decision taking in these circumstances. The rules for the 2009 season of Desmo Due have been issued and confirmation given as to the control tyre arrangements. There is no reason to change these arrangements at this time with the 1st race just over a week away. Discussions have been held with Pirelli regarding the supply of H rated Rossos at a point later in the year and we expect to be able to clarify that early next week. I have however received confirmation that a more than adequate stock of the current Diablo's are available to cover all requirements for the 2009 season. The Club has been through tyre testing routines before, in association with tyre specialists from the racing world, for the Sport 1000 Cup. That testing was done under strictly controlled criteria and conditions to ensure that riders would be provided with the best possible tyre on which to race. Whilst I am sure a few individuals might find it an interesting exercise to go through a bit of trackday testing on tyres other than those mandated for the series, this is hardly providing the kind of information that would be required to even start making the kind of involved decision that would be required to be made. On a final note, whilst not wishing to in anyway infer that there could be a product fault with Maxis tyres, I have contacted 3 respected road racing participants today, all of who have indicated that they would not consider it appropriate to consider racing our bikes and in particular individuals on what they described as a "budget" tyre. As Gordon has alreaduy pointed out Maxis had the opportunity to talk to the Club, they chose not to and they are not at this time following up in anyway. There would appear to be no reason to put any more effort or time into this subject. |
Whilst freedom of speech exists in this country we, as fee paying members, are free to discuss any subject we so choose Chris, unless you are suggesting otherwise. And if they are good enough for Guy Martin, I have no qualms with them. So how about you give us the benefit of your obviously vast experience of tyre testing for the series that didnt happen so we can apply it to a series that does happen? ( And no, thats no more condescending than your comment about doing some 'track day testing') If you have already established that there is a plentiful supply of H rated Diablos for this year then what is there left to discuss? I, and many others, despite what you think, feel a BETTER deal is available for the series participants, and whilst WE, not you, are the ones that have to fork out for the tyres and the other costs involved, I think its appropriate that SOME of us at least, look to improve the 'low cost' aspect of DD racing which you are all too happy to mention when different changes have been asked about. Development improves the breed and all that. I am doing this in order to gain facts so that a proper proposal can be put to the RC, so this isnt a debate and if Kev and I choose to discuss something thats happening on privately owned bikes, on privately paid for tracktime, outside of the DD series then I dont for one believe that it is pertinent for you to try to silence such discussion. Quote:
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WELL DON'T POST IT IN THE DD SECTION THEN, FFS |
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