Oil Change
 

Need to change the oil on the bike and this will be my first go.

Is it as straightforward as I think:

Remove sump plug and drain oil replace plug
remove filter
replace filter
refill with oil.

do i need any special tools to remove filter?
what type of oil? fully synthetic I am assuming?
How much is the filter?

sorry for all the questions folks, not very mechanically minded, but trying to learn :D

Yes thats virtually it. There are several techniques.. I prefer to....

run the bike, or change the oil after a run. Let the bike stand so its warm enough for the oil to flow freely, but not too cold, before removing the drain plug. Mind your hands!! Once removed, you could even let it drain overnight to get every last bit out.

You may well need a special tool (ooh er) to remove the filter, you can get them from halfords for a nominal fee. There are of course several types of these, i use a strap wrench, but you can use the grip type successfully.

When replacing the filter, prime it, ie fill it up with oil before screwing it on, and wipe a little oil on the sealing ring to aid tightening it up. Do this hand F tight!

Oh i use Shell Advance 15-50 oil.

As Andyb says...

Alternatively, rather than buying a "Tool" for the oil filter...

Get a hammer & a screwdriver. Bash the screwdriver through the oil filter & use it to twist off the filter.

Not the prettiest method in the world but has worked well for me for years! Have tried the special tools, but not been that impressed with them IMHO.

Oil - 15/40 - I use Rock Oil Guardian Semi-Synth changed every 3K

Tools - You could get the dedicated filter removal tool, or as per another thread, a big screwdriver whacked through the filter should get it off. Or a strap wrench.

It's as straightforward as you think, though you'll want to warm the engine first.

You'll probably also want to clean out the oil pickup filter, as it only adds 5 mins to the job. (It's covered in the Haynes manual)

Cost....Depends where you buy. I get my bits from Moto Rapido in Winchester, and last time (couple of weeks ago) it came to well under £40 inc VAT for oil and filter.

When re-filling watch the sight glass when you add the last half litre. A few of us here have recently over filled when adding in the recommended amount of oil.

I know that the Haynes manual does not officially cover my model, does anyone know if this has changed at all from the previous models or will it be the same?

a couple of times I have looked at it for other stuff and the pictures have been different from mine which makes me a bit wary of following the instructions.

As was mentioned on another thread the other day, if your bike is 2001 or later, it amy have a slightly different set-up with the pick-up filter from the pic shown in the Haynes manual. Instead of a "bolt-head" on the filter, there is a cover palte, removed with a 14mm Allen socket, and thewn the filter is behind that again. Poke the allen key socket doen in there again.

And it's a very good idea to use a Allen socket adaptor for that, and the sump plug (10mm?), rather than using an actual Allen key. You can more safely apply a bit more force than way. Don't want to round off yer hexagons!

yeah tell me about rounding off :(

spent some time yesterday drilling out a rounded off bolt... oh what fun!!

Lil, you can get a filter from Halfords for £5.99, they are made by champion, well up to the job.
You must use fully synthetic oil in your R, it helps save the rockers!
Other than that just follow the manual + what the lads have said :D

Just replaced my oil and filter last Sat.

There is a magnet on the sump plug that catches bits of crap, clean that and the fine mesh pick up filter may need cleaning.
I used the screwdriver & hammer method, the filter gets sucked on and the rubber expands which can make it a little resistant but don't worry them Ducati filters are well made.

I couldn't get all the oil out though, apparently they take 3.7 ltrs. Well at least a litre was hiding somewhere in my 748 Bip. What didn't I do, I read that the front pot rocker cover needs to come off also (after I had done the change) is this right?

[Edited on 13-9-2004 by Desmo748]

Me and kelly tried to change the oil on the 748r..it was succesful BUT do not try and use chain type filter tool or a hammer and screw driver invest in the proper tool it makes life a hellava lot easier ......hammer and screw driver is not good for the thread as it twists the filter at an odd angle ..get the proper tool..and when u do can i borrow it...

Its only a tenner you tight git :lol:

I did go to Halfords with filter in hand, but everything they stocked wouldn't have got it off, but thats Wigan for you.

I have got the tool number from the manual so I think I will invest in one from Ducati Manchester. By the way, how much oil do you get out, as I said I only got 2.2 ltrs out, where is the rest hiding? They hold 3.7 ltrs.

In wigan huh.....hmmmmmm

So assuming you would be planning on buying one soon.... can i borrow it...:D

lol

only joking, if its what's required then I guess i will have to get one!!

I can see my bill getting bigger by the minute!

current list:
oil
filter
filter tool

front sprocket
rear sprocket
sprocket carrier
cush drives
chain
ride hieght measure thingymabobwhateveritscalled...

oh yeah and something to make my clutch disengage would be nice :rolleye: :rolleye:

[Edited on 15-9-2004 by Lily]

Lil,

Tape measure for the first
Clutch lever for the second.


oops sorry:lol:

Lil,

To reset your ride height after the sprocket change, take a measurement before you begin the change from the top of the spindle nut to the top nut of the Termi bracket (Fig 8 bit). Write it down!!!!

Once the new sprockets etc are back on, you can use your original measurement that you wrote down, and adjust to this. This should put the ride height back to where it was before and how you're used to it handling.

From there you can fiddle all you like :rolleye:

I know it's fairly obvious, but it's not on your list...

Don't forget something to drain the oil into, and to carry it down the tidy tip, 'cos you can't flush it down the bog.

Could be just an old bottle or can of oil with a hole cut in the side, or one of those fancy plastic things they make specially for catching old oil in.

Simplest thing is one of those big turkey roasting dish things from a hardware shop. Don't forget to examine the old oil for bits of chrome...


Most *proper* Halfords branches sell the steel band-type filter removal tools.

I use a mixture of lard and olive oil, the only downside is that the engine seems to be very noisy!:lol:

I cut the side out of an old plastic gallon oil can, then you have an easy cap to unscrew for when you pour the oil down the drain....No spills either.

No, I'm not biting, I'm not biting....:lol:

Don't they come like that from the factory? :D

The service manual states the filter removal tool is no. 067503210

The top up oil amount is 3.5 for crank and 0.77 for filter. anybody any ideas how to get this amount out other than picking the bike up and shaking it all out?

It doesn't really matter so long as the sight window says the right amount is in does it??

Lil,

Don't for get to add the replacement ally crush washers. You'll need the one for the drain plug and the one for the filter screen. Pennies, but worth it.

Also, I have to agree with whoever said use the proper oil filter cup wrench. You can order them from Fiat or Ducati. Fiat are cheaper but mine has never arrived.

The reason I say this was experience with the last oil change. The goriila had clearly tightened the filter with an air gun. No chance with the strap or screwdriver methods. Screwdriver destroyed the filter leaveing me with a steel plate (the filter face) attached to the engine. It was an absolute B*****D to remove.

Rgds,

Rob

I think Desmos point is how do you get all 4 litres out when emptying the oil? I know when I do my changes I certainly don't get out what I put in!

Is there any way?