Fair cop or Hoping they just pay uP?
 

A friend was out riding with his buddy at a about 60mph sees a car parked up alongside a hedge. Thinks nothing more of it but it is obvious there is trouble ahead as everyone coming the other way is signalling. Friend pulls over to discuss with buddy is it worth going on with obvious trouble ahead. About a minute later an unmarked car pulls up with one PC inside and says they were speeding after they passed him doing 62 on the gun then accelarated. Shows laser gun with 83 at 1100 ft away plus. says he is going to do both, how can he have goth both bikes going away? Hitting both bikes at that distance. On checking the paperwork buddies see that different locations on the same road given, wrong CC on for one bike, producer asked for MOT ofr one bike which didn't need it, also class given as m/cycle when tax disk and DVLA says bicycle.

Are these buddies just another statistic or will they get a fair hearing if they decide to take it to the magis. to dispute location, sloppy paperwork and PC not following ACPO laser guidelines. e.g. Not 10ft from roadside, not clearly visible to target vehicle, not taken account of cosine effect, etc.

P NME

If the paperwork is wrong get a lawyer-they have to have the paperwork correct-if your mates plead not guilty and go to court themselves they will get turned over, if they take a brief they stand a much better chance.
ACPO guidelines are just that, guidelines, they don't HAVE to stick to them but usually do to save hassle.

John

[Edited on 20-9-2004 by Monty]

give it a try

their only money grabbing gits trying to boost their figures

[Edited on 22-9-2004 by deej]

Speeed Guns
 

Had a moment this morning with a copper stood up in a entrance with blue jumper on. Didnt click at first. Hoping I wasnt doing more than 60mph. It was a dual carriageway nsl. Plz o plz dont want the points:(:(:(

Dual carriageway nsl....so that'll be a 70 limit then....
unless you're driving an artic ;)

what if theres no central reservation/divide?? Thought that was 60:puzzled:

Err yes?
That'll be a single carriageway then.....?????
Albie said it was a d/c - national speed limit is 70 for that road type.

dual carriage way being defined by central res then, even if road is in effect four lanes wide.

Is a road with 2 lanes each side, central reservation and no stated speed limit always a dual carriageway and therefore 70 limit? My last ticket was for doing 42mph on such a stretch of road, though in a fairly built up area with several junctions with traffic lights.

3to4 mile stretch of road from Bournemouth.... Dual carriageway, central reservation, 3 roundabouts, 50 mph limit and 7.... yes you read correctly...7 Gatso's !!!

And as for nsl... in my area nobody seems to understand what that little white circle with a black diagonal through it actually means !:flame:

[Edited on 23-9-2004 by HellsBells]

The NSL sign means 70mph on motorways and dual carridgeways, 60mph everywhere else (unless a lower limit is enforced). And unless your driving a wagon or towing etc....Although its some years since i last read the Highway Code:)

There's a village on the A153 near Cadwell that has a large sign stating "Maximum speed 40mph" or very similar. There are no normal speed limit signs (red circle, white background) in evidence. The NSL applies just before the sign - this is both ways, approaching the village from the North or the South. And, there are no signs that tell you that the 40mph limit ends when you leave the village.
How enforceable is the 40mph limit here and how do you know when the NSL once again applies? I find it all mildly irritating (if not vitally important).

I would have thought that unless the speed limit sign is of the correct dimensions and colours etc then its not enforceable. There are a few round here like that, square ones with odd colours saying 30mph but in between two sets of them is a normal speed limit sign saying 50mph.

Could be wrong though!

so, sorry if im being dumb, are 2 lanes going in the same direction without a central reservation/partition a dual c/w or not??

Not.

That's a one way street :D

ha bloomin ha (actually, that is funny and made me laugh!!)

but you still havent answered the question....its killing me now so unless you want to be had up for abusing a member of the public by mental torture, spill the beans!:frog:

For it to be a dual carriageway there needs to be some form of central reservation / divider stopping traffic from crossing from one side over onto the opposite side.
:)

what like
a big lorry:frog:

cool - thanks, thats cleared up then

Sorry to drag this out to a tedious degree, but if aforementioned dual carriageway has no speed limit signs, what limit should one assume applies?

Street lights and no signs, 30mph, no street lights no signs, unusual but 70mph