Desmo Due racing 2005
 

There will be details in this month's Pronto of a new race series that we are trying to run for next year.
The idea is to have a cheap simple formula based on 600/620 monster's and SS's-minimal modifications to keep the racing cheap. This will be for paid up club members only-we already have the first entry-well done to Tony Perrin-TP996(he'll probably enter as 'Muppet Racing':lol: )

John

[Edited on 7-10-2004 by Monty]

well if tony's in it should attract more interest as last place is already sorted.:o

Great idea
Best of luck with it

Brings back memories of the Pro Am series, but with Dukes.
Will be good to watch.

:burn:

:o

I plan on attaching a LARGE bungee cord to the back of your bike Dickie to help me stay with you and sling me past on the straights :D

Unless of course you're so gay you're not going to enter?

wont be any difference in bike power so i may be clipping onto you. what is the weapon of choice going to be then faired ss or monster???

There's different schools of thought on that one ... I think that if you get a monster you have access to a later engine, an injected one. Whereas I don't think they had injected 600SS's - only the carbed animals.

But you know, it's all down to individual preference etc.

I don't really know what I'll do yet. I just thought I'd get in quick while the gettings good.

Folks,

More details are available from myself :

Chris.Bushell@ducatisportingclub.com

The main aim is to keep a lid on costs and by the same token power, whilst allowing a lot of fun. The amount of power that you can get should still see a few heart stopping moments out on track, they will be well into 3 figures down a decent straight..

The aim of doing it through the Club is that it is a step up from a DSC trackday and hopefully you will be with the same people. We are looking at 4 days in the 1st year with two races per day; something that we felt most of us could get past "she who must be obeyed".

The bikes will still be eligable for trackdays and as you cant cut the frame about, you can always put it back on the road at the end of the year and flog it.

Early entries should get to choose their race numbers.

Oh yes they did....
 

(I think!) - 620SS for the 2003 model year only.

Main thing is that you can do more to an early one on carbs (inc 674cc big bore kit), but it is going to cost you less to buy. If you go injected 620 then the starting price will be higher and there is less that you can do to it.

Current wisdom is that chassis wise there is probably not a lot in it, handlebars are free, so it is going to be more about ability of the rider and the bguest1 st-up of the bike, than a specific frame.

Yes fork internals and rear shock are free.

Sounds interesting as most of my racing is more about having fun these days I could well be interested once I find out more info.
I did consider entering Mini twins last year on a 620SS but the rule book made it impossible to compete with a SV650.

So will be interested in the rules regarding machine mods as I like to tinker and put my years of experience to use.

Also I could probably enter a 620SS in the North Glos Mini twins championship, probably not going to beat the SVs but hey they race at Donington, Thruxton, Silverstone, Pembrey, Darley Moor and maybe a few more next year.

Kev

Cool...I would love to have a crack at this. What with all the expense I've got next year, I doubt I will be able to afford it even on the cheap...

But if I could, I've already got my race bike sorted out LOOK HERE a P-reg carby 600 SS that the owner reckons makes 110 Bhp...:lol::lol::lol:

Still, if it did make 110 Bhp it would make a nice change...me having twice as much power as all youse boys instead of half as much.

:rodent:"Mwah ha ha ha"

Hmmm, interested ish!!

There would have to be a lid on the costs involved though. A flash rear shock and fork rebuild could easily eat up £1K.

I\'m up for this......
 

......aye, aye, Weeksy!!!

Can I put a 620 engine in the 996R and use that?

Tim:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Stupid boy, Pike...

Put the R engine in a 600 monster and use that.

This sounds great fun..wish I hadnt flogged my 600 monnie to rockhopper now !!

Myself and rich llewellin went in the fast group at the UKMOC track day at mallory on our 600 carbd monnies..full of S4/S4R's, and we were going round the outside of some of them at gerrards !..you be surprised what decent lap times can be achieved on these ickle dukes..its all about carrying your corner speed, and the single disc set up is more than upto the job on the earlier bikes..

Nat

[Edited on 7-10-2004 by Nattyboy]

Well I have to say that I genuinely laugh out loud quite rarely, but you caught me unawares there Jools :lol: . I'm getting some strange looks from my colleagues now.....

Is that with rearsets on and the like? I'm keen on this, but don't want to go the way of the 996R and buy lots of bits for a 620.

Anyone post a list of what would be minimal reqs to be a trackbike and then a list of how mad you can go with these?

Tim:frog:

Changes to shocks, forks and bars sounds good
How about pipes, K&N filters and either Dynojet or Powercommanders as per Dynojets listing.
Rearsets or Jack-up plates, Steering dampers.

Thats about in line with what we were allowed to do under Proddy reg rules at the 2002 TT.

Then could I fit a 916 fairing to a SS
Would wets be allowed
Could we fit a SPS or wavey disc and 4-pad calliper

I haven't even finished this years racing (Silverstone this Sat) and I'm already planning next years

Kev

No rearsets Tim, but did have to replace the pegs !! Ground clearance is an issue with std monnie cans/peg setup, but a cheap way of getting round this is to fit some 851/888/SS hangers/pegs (same frame), and fabricate a simple bracket to support the silencers.

Depending how swift you intend going, youll probably want some adjustable forks (popular mod is to bung in the ssie forks which go right in I think...or 916 ones which will require some machining work on the yokes) Popping a heavier oil in the std unadjustable jobbies does help though (and I cant see it being a big issue on flatish tracks...)

If its of interest, I do have some tatty carbon microns off an SL for a SS (which will fit a monnie too)..and some 888 hanger assemblies.

Yours full of jealousy (its gonna be a hoot!!)

Nat

If there's too many mods to make to even be a reasonable spec, then I won't bother.

I'm in no hurry to start changing forks, exhausts and suspension etc, I'm already dong that with the ZX!!!!

But if you're able to buy a bog-stock Monster and within reason, just change a few bits in order to get to ACU spec and allow ground clearance etc then I'm interested.

Looks like we'll get a few of the UKMOC joining the DSC too!!! - which is a good thing.

Tim

I don't believe you are allowed to change the forks? Just the internals, is how i read it - I could be wrong ...

Tim..I reckon you could pick up a tatty monnie for £1ksh, and youd only need to spend a few bob on second hand parts....if only to sort out the ground clearance issue.

Whilst suspension changes would be nice/better....I dont think there really that necessary on a bike knocking out 50hp !! To be honest..squirming/bouncing around mallory was half the fun anyway !!!

Youd also be surpised about the amount of second hand bolt on billy bits there are in the UKMOC forum..I picked up a neat bottom yoke mounted steering damper for £50, and brand new rearsets for £100 (which were way too good for the monnie so I slung 'em on the 888 !!!)

Also, good thing is, because of the relativley low power , these things will give you PLENTY of warning before they spit you off !!!

Cheers
Nat

[Edited on 7-10-2004 by Nattyboy]

Folks,

Whilst you you cant change the forks, yes the internals are free but how much of an advantage are you going to gain. By the same token how much are you going to need an Ohlins rear shock?

A downloadable copy of the initial regulations will be available from this site in the morning.

Remember the idea is that you shoud be able to go racing without having to get the cheque book out to move yourself up the grid. We dont know yet but one should be able to get a bike that is well set-up, on good tyres and scare yourself and others without too much trouble if you have some ability.

Just look back at what JohnnyB was doing with his CB500 at Rockingham and I beleive that that has less than 50hp.

Paul you most be joking, i would be looking at under £600 and if Maxton can revalve and respring the standard shock then it should cost less than £500.

ACU approved bellypan would be needed so if I could adapt my 916 race fairing to fit that would save some money.

Oh no...this thing has already spiralled out of control already

Changing forks? Shocks? Pipes? Powercommanders? Sorry, that seems to have lost the plot to me... next thing you know you'll have big-bore kits, carbon wheels with slicks, sets of wets and inters.

And this is supposed to be a low cost option to encourage Joe Ordinary like me to go racing?

Tim is right, a bog-stock monster or SS is the way to go. Modifications to stop the pegs or cans decking out, all the ACU reg compliance and that should be it IMHO

Road legal tyres that have to last for the whole day, so that the rich boys aren't banging on a fresh set of Rennsports for qualifying and each race. Maybe even control tyres like the CB500 boys and R6 cup. 207RR's, Diablo Corsas, even Metzler MEZ4's as long as everyones even stevens.

Agree with very limited mods.
If too many are allowed, then you might as well use 900SS's - no ground clearance problems and fully adjustable suspension etc. without spending anything.

Any exhaust, any footpegs.
Internal mods to original forks.
Any rear shock. or better still allow any mods to the original (assuming they are the rebuidable type)
No engine mods.

Off you go - let battle commence.

[Edited on 7-10-2004 by STEVE M]

Aww, come on guys. I've just gotten off the phone to Ducati Corse and hired an engineer to build me a monster.

Is that not allowed?

:D :lol:

yes but thats not at 620 is it.

all the rules are already set out so you may as well wait for tomorrow to read them. sounds like there is good interest already though.

Road legal tyres that have to last for the whole day, so that the rich boys aren't banging on a fresh set of Rennsports for qualifying and each race. Maybe even control tyres like the CB500 boys and R6 cup. 207RR's, Diablo Corsas, even Metzler MEZ4's as long as everyones even stevens. [/quote]

Control tyres are a great idea....how about cheng shins..they used to enable me to crack on a bit on my MBX 50...:lol:

Nat

from what i can remember they have to be road legal tyres but wets are allowed too. could be wrong.

I'm with Timothy; I was getting quite excited reading this.... until the talk of spending tons of wedge on the bikes to get in front.

It's a great idea tho, hope it takes off.

Boys, please calm down this is only a commercial.

No one should be able to get over 70bhp out of one of these under the proposed rules and the costs involved in doing that will be containable. Yes we are allowing overboring, but in part that is to allow old carb bikes to keep up with 620 injected ones.

From the earlier comments, it would appear that one can do a lot of damage to more powerfull bikes, with just a standard one, remember that we have not restricted leverage on the bars, ground clearance or the things that help on the twisty bits. I dont think that anyone is going to go through a set of tyres in a day and they are restricted as to what type of tyre they can run.

Ears have pricked up, and i'm listening. Don't bother me being at the back of the grid, as long as my riding improves.

2 me, the basic the bike can be the better, like the R6 cup as an example already used above.

Well .. I can't afford to spend loads of money on it but I'm going to do it anyway. Come on you lot, it won't get off the ground if it's not supported.

I plan on getting some ground clearance for it and after that I'm not sure really. Clipons and rearsets maybe, to change the riding position?

What tracks is it likely to be run on?

I know mate , I just meant that if too many mods were allowed then the bike would end up costing more than a 900SS which doesn't need the mods, so the whole point of using the 600's would be wasted.

As you say, lets see the rules first.

nice that tis' provoking such a discussion mate :) well pleased with the route the DSC has taken for this.

Bloody well done to the MT and comittee for having the balls to carry this one forward. [/quote]

..Just wanted to echo Weeksys sentiments really....

Ive not been a member half as long as you lot, but its nice to see, that despite the clubs obvious success, the MT dont get complacent and are thinking of ways to re-energise the club..

A very innovative idea is this...fair play to you guys...

Cheers
Nat:burn:

I could be interested in this too. But all I'd do is buy a bog standard bike and race the fekker. None of this tarting up business, maybe some rearsets for a bit of clearance but that's it.