Bayliss - A sad, sad day if it\'s true
 

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/13353/

Look at the 2nd to last paragraph, I think

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

Oh bugger. Perhaps we will see him in WSB or BSB then next year?

In fact if I read the next paragraph on I would have seen an answer to that question....

Agreed...on the face of it, but there's usually more to any story than what appears on the surface.

Let's face it, Ducati's season has been poor. The whole team, not just Bayliss. They have simply not lived up to the promise of their 2003 rookie year in MotoGP - although that first year was unbelievably successful for a first season and probably set up some unrealistic expectations. The fact remains though that the 2004 Desmosedici has not proven to be a competitive package.

So what happens when the pressure to succeed starts to get to the team. Who do you think is going to be the Schumacher and get first dibs on the very best the team has to offer? The plain speaking Aussie? or the Italian that understands the culture, and the subtle nods and winks that go with getting the best out of an Italian team.

You want an example? I was European Training Development manager in my company a few years ago. I speak just enough French to get by, but the subtleties of managing a team which included 3 or 4 French people completely eluded me. I asked one of them for feedback on one of their colleagues and was told "Oh he does a terrific job". That's what I heard. What was meant was that he was useless. Try saying the same sentence in English, the first time say it in a genuine way, then try it again in a tone loaded with irony and sarcasm. Then ask yourself how fluent you'd have to be in a language before you picked up on that. Then ask yourself how fluent you would have to be in language and culture before you could be as influential as an Italian in an Italian team.

MCN have John Hopkins replacing Troy

might be a factor: might not.......................................



bayliss was the only ducati rider who couldn't be arsed to turn up to the ducati sporting club 'meet the riders' evening at donington.


maybe the ducati hieracy look ALOT more closely at our activties.:lol::lol::lol:



p.s if they do......i think they're great and i am available for bsb,wsb or motogp next year. contact details available on site. ta.

I think Troy did himself no favours with the Ducati Corse boys when he was seen as loosing the WSBK World championship (remember the rain at Assen) in 2002. He came into the Moto GP squad on the pretence of being a World Champion (he was signed before season end) so on World Champs wages, TB is not cheap these days, - and I think Ducati Corse have likely stretched themselves thin this year running MotoGP, WSBK, World Supersport and giving a lot of help to domestic BSB and AMA. Something has to give, and as Ducati Corse is a separate company (like HRC is) they are accountable to their parent company in a slightly different way. I do not think Troy is out of a job with Ducati, - I think he just might be out of a MotoGP factory ride with them.

Troy has a lot of fire in his belly and gives 100% but there are other young guns who will do the same job for less $.

I would not be surprised if nationality has some part to play in the process (Australia produces some of the best riders in the world why the hell can't Fosters put their hands in their pockets to back it up???) but I think it would be a minor part. Loris has done better this year than Troy.

Writing has been on the wall for a while. I think the falling out with his team boss has not helped. It will do Troy a world of good being on a bike which can win. But i do hope it's WSB and not BSB. And also, it will give WSB more credit that it deserves. But, i feel the bike was more at fault than the rider, if a rider does not have the confidence in his machine, he won't suceed.

And to call Hodgson a tail end charlie is harsh. When you can win a BSB and WSB title, then knock him. You might as well call Toseland a worthless champion as well. As i said about Bayliss, I think it's more to do with the bike than anything, and injury has not helped the cause.

I do agree tho, Xaus has raised his game, but has not been consitant enough.

Lets hope he has 2 geat last races this year. Of all the riders I have met (Chelsea and WDW) is was the best, sat down on the last Saturday night and had a chat and beer with me and Shazz, he remembered meeting me several times at open days, nec... He did ask joking if i was his stalker, i asked for a paddock pass and we'll see!

Not sure you think this is such a disaster. Riders move all the time. Plus, he knew the risks before he went to MotoGP. In reality, it does seem to be big step up gauging by other ex-WSB riders recently and their relative struggles. On the other hand, you've got guys like McCoy whose done the reverse and also hasn't shone this year. So, who knows.

It will probably not be the easiest thing for him to get another MotoGP ride. There are a lot of hungry, younger riders looking to move up. Similar career span to football. You know it going in.

I agree its harsh calling Hodgson a "tail end charlie" I see him to talk to quite often as his best friends are good friends of mine. We also share the same surname and home town! Its very interesting to hear him talk about just what its like to ride one of those bike to its limits. He has been racing bikes all his life but still seems to be in "awe" of these Motogp bikes and the little problems of trying to keep the front end down and stop it wheelspinning in 6th gear. I agree he has not had a good season and he would be the first to admit it as he is quite self critical. The kind of things he talks about are things that we (including the racers amongst us!) cannot really comprehend! It really is a different level to what most of us get to experience.

He has worked hard to get where he is and I think he should be shown a little more support. He is a very nice guy (although always last to the bar) and I will continue to cheer him on wherever he ends up.

To me, Hodgson in 2002 sums it up, on old kit, and was beating guys on better machines, only Edwards and Bayliss beat him over the season. Hodgson has not done much less than these guys, just differant times.

Some may argue that some of the stars had gone last year, but in reality that was just a romantic dream to dig at the guy (s). Comments recently about Toseland winning the WSB title where the same. People moan when we do bad at sport, then when home grown talent win, we knock 'em down.

I mean, what is that about???? :puzzled:

Me, I'd like to see Toseland and Hodgson in the Corse Moto Gp team, but i think that will be a dream. But both deserve it. Capriex (sp??) will get the nod, only italian prepared to race for them, and it has been suggested he was signed up for next season in August. I think the Moto GP team have had a 1 and 2 rider. When they rolled out the new engine config, who got it first, yes okay Bayliss did not use it first time it was offered to him, but there's 2 sides to that story. And we all know the Corse guys get fined big style if they say anything bad about their bikes or team.

Lets look forward to '05, and hope some of these guys get good rides to take on the best in the world. If Bayliss ends up in WSB, I hope he wins lots, but i'd like Toseland to beat him, and on a 999 Corse bike. Hodgson move to good team in Moto Gp, and win races, and be there at the end. I'd like to see the GP team win races, why, because i'm bias that way to the bikes. I'd love to see Hodgson on the Gp bike and kick some italian butt. And prove a few people wrong.

Hey Weeksy,
you did not offend me at all! I did not mean to sound like I was having a go at you. I do not know you but I have read many of your posts and to me you represent all that is good in this club! You always seem willing to take the time to advise and help people and you have my respect for that.

A few years ago 1996 ish Neil borrowed a fireblade of one of my mates and went out for a Sunday run with the lads I used to ride with a lot. I was on Holiday at the time but came back to hear all the tales about how they had all "done him" on the run up to Hawes in the yorkshire dales. Some of these deluded souls seriously thought that because they were prepared to stick their neck out by going over blind crest at 130-140mph with sheep and tractors everywhere and he wasnt that they somehow were quicker than him! The same lads were in utter disbelief that when I did my first trackday about 5 years ago at Donnington I went in the intermediate group and seemed to be somewhere midway between the fastest and the slowest of the group. They seemed to think that because I was the same pace as them on the road that I should be high up in the fast group!!

When I mentioned that Ron Haslam and Matt llewellyn? had passed me down craner curves on 600s and had made me feel as if I was going backwards they seriously asked why I had not repassed them on the straights as I was on a R1! These mates of mine seriously think that because they are quick on the road that they will also be on the track, although they refuse to do a track day saying it will be boring! They have no concept of the difference and cannot understand my point in that for the most part the quickest on the roads is the one most prepared to take the biggest risks (sheep, tractors, cars, diesel etc) where on a track its just your skill and ability that makes you quick. Rattler met one of these lads the other week as he bought the zx10r of him and I was a little embarrased as my mate Tom was telling him to how to ride it as I knew it was destined to be thrashed around various tracks and ridden as the maker intended.

So my point is that I was not having a go at you, more the type of people I have mentioned here.

:lol:

as long as he has the keys ... or an account with Fedex :D

:lol: Or a friend willing to fly out for you :lol:

.. your point is well made Martin. Please give Hodgy our best regards next time you see him and remind him he's an honourary life member of DSC ;)

This could be read as hope for Big Trev... Errrr I mean Troy !! LOL!!!



The Ducati Marlboro Team has told Crash.net that, contrary to reports, no decision has yet been made about the future of Troy Bayliss at the factory team.

Some reports from Sepang stated that former World Superbike champion Bayliss had been told that he would not be joining Loris Capirossi at the factory outfit in 2005. Something the team denies...

"I know everybody is speaking about (Troy leaving), but in reality nothing has been decided for next year yet," a Ducati Marlboro spokesperson told Crash.net.

"Troy is one of the best riders in the world, he's strong and determined, and so it wouldn't be an easy matter to find a suitable substitute.

"I'm afraid we will have to wait some more time before knowing exactly what will happen next year..."

Bayliss has endured a tough 2004 season, with a best finish of fourth and only six points' finishes from the fourteen races so far held. However, the 2004 Desmosedici - unlike its predecessor - has rarely been a match for the leading Hondas and Yamahas.

Indeed, highly-rated Capirossi, although having almost doubled Troy's present 48 world championship points, has also failed to reach the podium in 2004 and – like his team-mate – has a solitary fourth place finish to his credit.

Should Bayliss be replaced, the popular Australian's options are likely to include a move to a rival MotoGP team, perhaps staying within the Ducati 'family' by switching to the satellite d'Antin team, or a return to World Superbikes.

Suzuki's John Hopkins, Yamaha's Carlos Checa and even Honda's Sete Gibernau have all been linked to the second factory Ducati ride - with Hopkins fast emerging as favourite.

Bayliss's home event, the Australian Grand Prix at Philip Island, starts this Friday.

Join me in prayer ...

In Toseland getting the nod? :lol:

To stay in WSB? Come on Mark, you KNOW that TB is a better rider!

And he's cooler, got a better looking new lid. How cool is his new lid!!! Where do I get one, it's not on the Suomy site yet.

I meant in GP team ya tampon sniffer

I know what you meant ya goose!

What I was trying to say was that the only nod I think Toseland should get is to stay in WSB. To be brutally honest he doesn't have that extra gift for me - the little bit extra to mark him out as being special, deserving of a GP ride.

I know he won WSB and fair play to him - he rode well. I just think he needs another year to prove himself.

TB should stay put, I get the feeling that a lot of people think the same thing (also a lot who don't!). I'm undecided, because on one hand both Troy's (Corser and Bayliss) are from bloody New South Wales which means that they should get a good kicking every now and then (Mighty Mick Doohan - Queenslander, I rest my case!) but both Troy's are just so goooood.

What will be will be.

But does anyone know anyone from Suomy? How can I get that new Bayliss lid?

A pearl necklace?

As much as i enjoy the banter with u mate, off down the pub.

xx :lol:

:sing::sing:its nice to know you're here, now feck off!!!:sing::sing:

You best make sure you register with a kwacker board, just incase Tim...........

From Moto GP Site.
 

The below is on thispage on the Moto GP site.


Troy Bayliss has announced that he will not be riding with Ducati next year after confirmation that the Italian factory have decided not to extend his contract beyond the end of the current season. The Australian delivered the news on the eve of his home Grand Prix at Phillip Island but expressed his desire to remain in MotoGP.




“It’s been difficult for everyone at Ducati – we expected to do a lot better this year but it hasn’t happened and it’s taken halfway through the year before we even got going,” said Bayliss. “Since then we’ve had a bit of bad luck and mine is continuing because I’ve found out I won’t be continuing with Ducati next year.

“It’s like the final kick in the teeth. It’s been a hard year and I’ve done everything I can. I’ve been riding a long time with Ducati and it would be a different story if the bike had been winning every weekend but it hasn’t been doing that so… these things happen, you know.

“You take it on the chin and just because it’s like this it doesn’t mean I’m just going to cruise around for the last couple of races - I want to always do the best I can. We’re staying on to test after this and I’ll do everything I can to try and improve this bike.

“Like I said before I believe in what Ducati can do with a bike and I’m sure they’re going to make this bike work in the future but it’s a shame I’m not going to be here to enjoy it.

“I’m confident in what I can do with myself. I’m a racer and all racers believe in themselves but I would like to stay in MotoGP because I don’t think I’ve shown what I can do and time will tell.

“It’s a bit unclear at the moment how it’s going to turn out but I’m sure that in the next week or two weeks things are going to unfold for me and for a lot of other people as well. As for now I’m in a vicious little circle and hopefully it’s going to straighten itself out.”

<sniff>

My dream .... shattered ....

I'll carry on with the number 12 on a Ducati next year Troy .... with a black armband!!