TV Alert: F1 vs Bike vs Boat
 

Now about to start on Channel 5....

can tell you the result if u want :devil:

does anyone watch channel 5 :puzzled:

my vote goes for the boat depending on what they are actually trying to prove

[Edited on 11-10-2004 by Nigel C]

F1 powerboats are rapid 0-60 so think it will lead off then drop back. Moneys on bike.

wrong! :lol:

1 of u are anyway, if they show all the runs

my tv only goes up to 4 :lol:

Bike by the look of the boat. Thought it may have been cat circuit one not lardy offshore.

one million pounds to lease rutters bike for the season...

but its not a work machine ;)

Hmm interesting that. Bike was bloody fast though. So the f1 car revs to 18000rpm my little Kawasaki 250 4cyl 4stroke used to rev to 21000. without hydraulics. EEk

My god that F1 car doesn't half shift!! :o

The boat only did 75mph top speed - no wonder they gave it a head start!

The bike won the first sprint as the car wasn't working properly, but the car then won the next two sprints. Once the car got upto speed it really started to shift - it was like they lit the blue touch paper and when it's next to the FirePlace and pulls away like that you know it's something special!

Sh*te alight.

There's bloomin' Honda's on me telly!! UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!

Ant - warn us in future mate, I'd rather watch p*rn than Honda :lol:

Cheers!

Scott

Yes well ... to be honest I thought the bike did quite well.

Now lets see the same thing done with Honda's equipment that is available to the punter on the street.

NSX V Blade .... In this case I'm tipping the blade.

The F1 cars are unebelievably quick, I cannot remember the exact figures but I once worked out how much quicker even the slowest car on the F1 grid was compared to Rossi on a Motogp bike around I think it was the Spanish grand prix circuit at Catalunya. I think it worked out Rossi would be lapped every 6 or 7 laps or so!

The most impressive thing to witness with F1 cars is their incredible late braking and the speed they carry through medium and fast speed corners. If you were to stand at the end of a long straight and watch both a Motogp bike and a F1 car arrive at the same speed (200mph or so) the difference in braking points is unreal. The F1 car will still be screaming away at 19,000 rpm or more long after the point where the bike is hard on the brakes. When the F1 car eventually brakes it appears to just stop dead. I think they go from 200mph down to 70mph in 1.something seconds I cannot remember the exact figures as I have lost a lot of interest in the mostly dull F1 races these days.

But at the end of the day the Fireplace is a very extensivly modified road bike, the boat was a stock thing you can buy over the counter and the car is a bespoke custom built one off costing however many millions plus all the support needed. The bike did okay i thought, the boat was very disapointing.

was good though, eh?

I thought it was a bit of a no-brainer to be honest - surely noone thought that a bike of any description could outrun an F1 car?
What was interesting, was the fact that Rutter got the power down so much easier than Button, in that over a very short distance, the bike had the edge before Button could get enough F1 power down to make the difference. Also thought it was interesting to see just how technical these cars are - none of these will ever make it to Historic racing!

dont really like giving credit to cars if i can avoid it; but considering how fast we know bike go and can feel, the speed of the F1 car when it got going was truly amazing. went past the bike like it was standing still!:sniff:

Cornering speed is even more impressive - I go each year as it's on my doorstep and I get free tickets... These are not cars - they're like guided missiles running on the ground.. It's no wonder the racing is rubbish - they're just way too fast, everything about them is mindblowing.

Another slant on this perhaps. All the vehicles we supplied by Honda, or at least the engines were. Surley a more meaningful comparison would have been a Moto GP bike against the car, or an F3000 car against the Blade. Would this haven meant that the bike might have won? Possibly. Would this have been what Honda wanted? No becasue cars are much more important to Honda than bikes will ever be.

Still it was impressive to see how fast the car was.

wonder how the desmosedici would have faired with its launch control. rutter was leaning all over the front trying to keep it down.

I noticed that when they gave you a rear view it looked as though Rutter bogged it down a bit and then had another go. Still i guess eventually the laws of physics take over.

You can buy a Honda F1 motor. It just takes a LOT of money.
Basically set up an F1 team and negotiate or Buy Jordan GP.
You can buy ex F1 Ferraris with the right connections and a container load of Euros.

Speed costs money.......................How fast do ya wanna go?

The bike did well for a short distance off the line but the F1 car was always going to win as it has a better power to weight ratio. very imporessive to see it catch and pull away from the bike.
Not so impressive to see em drone round a track for 1.5 hours on a Sunday stuck to surface with aerodynamitrickery.

GP drivers are over paid (those that do get paid by the team rather than bring a bag of gold to run the team) wussies who hide behind Bernies paddock barriers.


Tiff seemed surprised that the bike put its power down as well as it did with just that Skinny Michelin on the back.

Ray

If any body missed this it is repeated tonight at 7:30pm on five.
Worth a watch.

I agree with Rockhopper, it might have been a fairer comparison to run a MotoGP bike against an F1 car, but the car would still have won. The simple physics of power to weight ratio is what does it.

However, there is only one thing that allows the car to do this, and it's not brute horsepower, it's aerodynamics. The car couldn't use all it's power until it got up to about 100 mph and generated enough downforce to keep it's traction. Any attempt to nail it before then and it would just light the tyres up.

It's also aerodynamics, and that alone, that allow the massive braking effects and corner speed that a car can produce - hence the faster lap times. IMHO it's also aerodynamics that make F1 the most incredibly boring rubbish 'sport'. Take the wings off, that's what I say. If you did that you would get cornering that was more down to the drivers car control than being clamped to the track (these things could run upside down you know), but the biggest effect would be in making the braking distances far, far longer and where do most overtakes occur...in the braking zone. Without the stupendous stopping power of aerodynamics mashing the tyres into the track the braking distances would be 3 or 4 times longer, you might actually see some overtaking, the racing might be closer and who knows, you might find you could be ****d to watch it again.

Rock on Jools - that would be the best improvement they could make!

Rip off the wings I say, and the undertrays etc ...

Oh yes it is ! its full on HRC.

They are using BSB to develop the bike for WSB.:burn:

A top level drag bike would give it a run for its money :)

Not when it came to the came to the corners tho :lol:

Cool - just seen it - good blast, echoing most of the sentiment here, I don't think it was a level playing field though- it may have been better with a gp bike - as was stated the F1 car weighs 4 times more than the BSB bike but has 5.5 times the power (900+) and better aerodynamics so it should win.

F1 is still way too dull though.

I initially thought that the car would have trouble getting the power down and would wheel spin for most of the run. I never thought the boat would do anything but it looks like they picked an especially weedy one anyhow.

May be way out here, but when I was at Jerez earlier in the year they were saying Rossi did 1.43 and Schumacher did 1.17. It's not possible for us plebs to even dream just how fast that is. I've been around Silverstone in a Le Mans car with a BAR test driver at the wheel and that was astonishing - it was like the old Mouse run at Alton Towers or a level version of Nemesis. Fantastic technology, amazing to experience, so why is it so dull to watch? That said, some of the MotoGP races were like that this year, you had to go down to 10th place to see a dice/overtaking.

WeeJohnyB

Surely this was not a fair race with an out and out racing machine - F1 car - against a racing bike derived from a road bike and a stock boat. Haven't they also been having problems getting the Fireplace off the line which meant that Rutter was always playing catch-up in half the races?

I think the whole thing was a bit non-scientific to be fair. All a a bit showy for the tv. A fairer comparison would undoubtedly have been a motoGP Honda with a top flight rider on board but somehow I doubt there would have been much difference in the outcome.
Also we don't know how seriously anyone took it. Did BAR just turn up and run the car as it was or did they actually set it up for a drag race - gear it for a lower top speed, loads of downforce... same for the bike, did they bother to set it up properly? As far as I remember, they didn't tell us, so it makes the whole thing pretty academic imho.