Brancato Engineering - Great Help!
 

Just been on the phone for the last half an hour to Brancato Engineering, talking about the DD race series.

They're making the race fairings for 600SS bikes which you'll need to get your order in quickly if you want one!

Prices are:

Full fairing: sides + top = £325
Catch Tray to ACU spec for above = £40 - 50 (tbc)
Screen: £47 or £48 for 900ss style double bubble
Seat Unit (SuperLight style) = £145
Seat Mounting Kit (oem Ducati parts) = £45
Seat Pad (stick on) £40
Seat Pad (bolt on) £70

They also supply all sorts of mods and parts for the series which you may find really helpful, including uprated wheel adjusters, oil filler caps, 14t front sprockets and a range of rears from 37 to 43 and possibly 44 as well.

Give them a call - they're hopefully putting together a DD specific sheet with a whole load of useful stuff on it which will be really handy.

[edit to correct seat style]

[Edited on 28-1-2005 by antonye]

Well, that's the only thing when they're the only place making them!

It's not like it's a mass produced piece of UJM, is it...

Well I could easily race with the standard fairing, or take it off altogether, to keep the costs down. Even running with cheap stuff off ebay is an option.

BUT I was to replace the fairing with race stuff that will swap straight over to keep the genuine Ducati parts unmarked. The seat unit also weighs a ton, so replacing this also helps to save weight.

So far I'm upto just under 1600 quid with the bike and parts, so adding the fairing isn't that bad on the budget. If I can pull in some sponsorship to help pay, then that's even better!

Antonye, £40.00 for a piece of foam:o Good old Brancato, still trying to fleece us

I'd pay £7.00 for my seat foam when i had my trackbike...
go to any race club meeting, and you will pay the same,all you have to do it cut it to the shape of your seat..

Yes but thats cheap foam at the race meetings it nowhere near the same stuff as Tony does, and really his fibreglass is to good a quality to use for racing, but the quality of it gives it a lot of strength with little weight.

I can hear you now Foam is Foam ..... wrong
I went over there last saturday to get my gaskets for my 600SS and stood in the doorway when I got there was Dallas getting enough foam to do two seat pads and two bum stops for his ZX10R race seats,
incidently Tony was suprised at the poor quality of Dallas race seat unit compared to the stuff he makes but i then did point out that Dallas needs them to be as cheap as possible so that he can replace them after he has launched the bike 10 foot into the air. OK Dallas didn't pay that much for a seat pad as he purchased the foam in a lump and will cut it and shape it himself. But if you want won made to go straight on then as with everybody Tony's time costs money as does quality.
Luckily for me I'll make do with any old ratty bit of dross and save myself some money.

I rate Brancato highly - but didnt Ali work out the Sharkskinz full kit would be £480 ????

and I believe its 'off the shelf' albeit an American shelf :)

The same bits that Sharkskinz are offering cost £470 from Brancato according to Antony's posted prices.
Senna3 already has his seat unit and centre fairing part in Gel coat gloss black with gel coat white number boards. Quality is top notch as I said before far to good to be throwing into the gravel trap.

When I buy stuff from America it can take over 3 months to get to me even when it is off the shelf and I also have to pay various duties/taxes

Why not fit a TZ250 or Honda RS250 fairing?

Can pick up a nice new one for under £130 and take it to your local engineer, who i'm sure won't charge you £570 to weld a couple of brackets to your frame.

On the seat padding, I've found a roll mat thingy from Millets to be as good as anything 'purpose' built for bike seats. It's about £5 for a roll mat, and there is shed loads of it.

...and when you crash, which you will... I bet a £130 bit of plastic is more appealing than a £400 piece of plastic.

Just my 2 penneth

This was the Desmo Due forum and not the MotoGP one wasn't it?

:lol:

Aside from e-bay ... where does one locate one of these fairings Dom?

Tony, try this guy: BB Plastics. Top stuff that actually fits. Loads of racers use him.

Is there a difference I understand MotoGP riders don't have to supply their own bikes either.

Still a £1000 600SS that was purchased without any fairing panels and fitted with Brancato bodywork is still a cheap race bike compared to a 620 variant and whats more it will look the part.
Nobody is forcing anybody else to go any particular route, everybody is entitled to spend their money as they wish, all Antony was doing was making people aware that there are 600SS parts available.

Thanks Felix.

BB PLASTICS
REPLICAST
ROD HARWIN
RACE PRODUCTS
ARD RACING

These are just a few.

I guess some people don't have to supply their own bikes. In that context, I guess I am clearly a MotoGP rider, and I'd like to withdraw my earlier comment about this being a Desmo Due forum.

Back to the topic...

I know you're not forcing anyone to buy stuff from Brancato, and I have never seen his work, and I'm sure it is top quality.

However, not everyone knows of the alternatives, and the thought of having to shell out £700 for a race fairing seems ludicrus to me, but then I have the advantage of knowing I or anyone else can get a fairing far cheaper. It may not be for a 600SS, but it's a fairing and it does the same job.



[Edited on 27-1-2005 by domskidue]

[Edited on 28-1-2005 by domskidue]

Ahhh, a good website. I wonder who built that, LOL.

There are no prices on there at the moment, but there are some good photo's... something a lot of other sites don't provide.

It may be best to ring Barry, he's a top geezer and will certainly give you good advice.

His stuff is CHEEEEEAP and top quality.

BB PLASTICS - No Prices
REPLICAST - No website found
ROD HARWIN - No product list
RACE PRODUCTS - No product list
ARD RACING - No website found

Not much help really! ;)

I could get to both replicast and ARD ... whatchoo doing Ant?

Ummm... I don't see product list, prices or pictures on Brancato's site either.

I'm just trying to make the point that you don't HAVE to spend £700 for race bodywork.

...and what's wrong with the telephone?

I dunno what it costs to make a mould, but I'm sure if everyone would commit to buying one full set of bodywork/seat, someone like BB Plastics would make a mould and probably knock it out at £200 all inc.

Cheap bodywork for everyone, and £5,000 in the bank for Baz or anyone else who can make it.

Antony, just give Barry a ring at BB Plastics. My mates just bought two full sets of fairings for their GSX-R750s for £170! And, no hacksawing required! So, there is a first hand recommendation.

As I said though Felix - that's for mass produced UJM from which you can find plenty of retailers. Getting race fairing for a bike that is out of production and hardly ever used for racing before is very, very difficult.

Yes, I could have put some cheap non-Ducati looking fairing on it, but I don't want to.

Fair enough, Antony, although you might change your mind when you lob it down the track.;) You could always get some Ducati Supermono bodywork. That would really look cool!

Sorry !!! Couldnt resist..............
 

That's the one, Frank!

Sweet eh?

And there was a guy selling a full set 2nd hand here:

http://www.ducati.ms

Hello racers, thought i'd put my 'haphneworth here.

Fairing for the 600SS is £325, not £700!, that's all 3 panels made from high quality materials, semismooth finish on inside and colour inpregnated, it will straight on no mods to stock mounts.
This means no cheapho badly made white thing intended for something bigger longer smaller lower or whatever, which has to be painted, at yet even more cost, end result ......yuk!
By the way a white inset race number background, can be incorporated at no extra cost.
Even the 'seat foam' is pretty special too.

Specially formulated and made material, fully shaped and finished, and there's 2 pieces at that, one for your bum.and one for the small of your back,
For the tightwads,...................... you can purchase the material for less money from Brancato engineering and spend YOUR OWN TIME shaping it, alternatively for a really cheap solution, sit on the fresh air between race leathers and moulding of the seat.

Anyway why all the bitching?. should people who honestly labour away making decent stuff for you to enjoy, have to work for a pittance?.

I still don't see how a 600SS fairing costs £325, (and seat unit £200+)when fairings for all other motorcycles are around £130-£170 (seats £65) whether they are in production or not.

As for being special formula or whatever, I'd rather have a non special but affordable fairing which I can afford to replace when it's been down the track.

This is not a personal dig, and I don't even need a set of bodywork, I'm just playing devils advocate.

I'm sure your product is top class.

You try and make patterns, moulds and other related production tools etc. then only produce small ammounts from them, that's why!.

Stuff for jap crap is made by the dozs, as clearly there are more of them, so cost of tooling is spread out.

Incidentally 'devil's advocate' Brancato eng are writing off all the tooling costs for the bellypan, so that each purchaser gets one as cheap as.

Not a personal dig?, ..........I think it is!.

I looked for ages for a 600ss fairing and spoke to a number of MNF and found none or a luke warm response, so i decided to try second hand kit, spoke to many breakers and a side panel was in the range of 80 ( crap ) to 150 ( for pretty good ) then the top fairing 125 - 150, to replace my already very good road farings with secondhand crap would have cost approx 300 IF i could have found some. I dont want to cut! saw! hack! other farings to fit etc. I also want to save my existing decent fairings for spare and to put back on bike when i sell. To me £325 for a custom made red, ready to fit fairing is a good deal and im happy to pay it.

Its not just about the purchase its about the support the advise etc that comes at no extra cost.

Phil.

Just had another thought for Mr D Advocate, why not allow yourself to be chained up to one of the Brancato's work benches for the time it takes to make stuff, it might surprise you, just how long it takes to make things.

Alternatively, instead of going to your presentundoubtly resonably paid job,.....go out buy a fairing of your choise, spend time remodelling it, for no headlamp hole indicators et al.
Spend yet more time making moulds etc, make them to sell at your suggested price, how long would you last doing this for a living?.

My point is ,that ecomomy of scale applies here.

If you expect things for a certain price find them!, conpare like with like, not a thingy from something else.

If something is offered at a certain price by a manufacturer, it's usually for a good reason, not everyone is a fleecing crook.

Brancato eng is a good honest co, just ask all the people who have frequented it for the last 30 years.

Anybody can make something for little or nothing once, you simply cannot expect stuff to be there ready and waiting for you, made by some company constantly on the breadline, just to please you.

When I looked at this website for the first time yesterday, I honestly thought it would be a nice thing, now..... I think I'll same the electricity in the future.
Bye!

Well ... interesting response!

I think there are some valid points made above regarding prices and you could have made yours without taking it personally and quite frankly, doing your business no good by carrying on the way you've just done.

If you'd take the time to look a little further at this website you could see that it's quite a big club with lots of people who are looking for people who will look after them. I would hazard guess to say that 70-80% of kit bought by members of this club is on recommendation from other members. We are a group of people who like a bargain, everyone does, but also appreciate the quality of a product. After all, we didn't spend a lot of money on Ducati's to put crap on them.

No-one can stop you leaving but it's pretty disappointing that you've been here for 5 seconds, seen one thing you don't like and packed up your bat and ball and gone home.

Some well respected members on here value your products and time and that goes a long way here, but if you're viewed to be petulant then it won't mean anything. Maybe you should have a think about it instead reacting emotively.

Just my 2p worth ...

I would rather you didn't save the juice as its nice to have a informed opinion on these sort of things.

And as for comparisons a ARD Ducati fairing is £175 add another £60 to have it colour coded and a futher £70 for the catch tray, that is £305 according to the prices on their website, That compares to £365 for the same parts all be it a differnt model from Brancato.

For a part that will bolt straight on with no mucking about built to a very high standard, then for a lot of people without either the time, tools or skills to mess about making things fit then the extra £60 is probably money well spent.

you 'fairing' guys make me chuckle.

Steve,

Find me a cheaper race fairing for a 600ss and I'll gladly take you up on the offer.

sorry to hijack but its kind af relevant......

was interested to see the make up of the grid so far.
pretty much split down the middle monsters and supersports with just the one multistrada. will be great to see how the different bike fair on different cicuits especially on the fast snetterton race.

Not half as much as I'll laugh as your 5-grand bike does a barrel roll on the first corner :lol:

Very funny...............LOL.....:lol:

It will be interesting to see if the people with the extra cc's via big bores or the 620's will have the edge....

:lol:

Lets be honest, the difference the bike makes in the overall package performance is going to be a lot less than the riders ability!

All this manoeuvring etc ...

Don't get me wrong, I'll be doing the most I can for my budget, the same as anyone else but ultimately the best rider who doesn't have the most bad luck will win - simple.