TYRES
 

Just had a long conversation with Mark from Holbeach Tyres-he is the guy who will be supporting the series as far as tyres goes as he attends ALL New Era races, as well as WSB, BSB, MRO etc etc. Really nice guy and what he doesn't know about tyres and racing isn't worth knowing.
He can supply and fit any make of tyre-however he would recommend Bridgestone BT090's for our series as they are a tyre developed especially for lighter lower powered bikes.

Anyway if you have any questions for him post them here and he will try to help, or contact him direct on:
01406 426489 or 07733 324640.

John

i'll be crap unless im on pirelli's.............


actually i meant to say just........... i'll be crap!

Is this a ruling?

yep, i'm definitely crap!

You're definitely a clown!

BT 090's are fantastic tyres I used them on my RS250 I would be more than happy to go with them.

Can we assume that negotiations with a tyre manufacturer have fallen through then??
:puzzled:

If you ask me, this looks like a rather round-about way of saying BT 090's are at the top of the control tyre list and the water is being tested....

:ninja::ninja:

Without pouring fuel on the fire gents, can we have some sort of definitive ruling on this?

yes, would be good to know what we are on, as lots of people are now starting to test and get used to their bikes.

is the intention to decide once and for all at the AGM ??

..?????????

I was under the impression another tyre was the choice..i have and other due riders purchased these tyres as we need em for trackdays impending..????????

Phil, where's you seen this other choice?
My latest paperowrk says something like there's negotiations with Pirelli, but nothing decided.

The way I read Monty's cryptic little note is that tyres are gonna be open season on anything road legal!

Don't matter to me anyway, my ride is still being developed and they were a little busy at Ducati Corse today. I'll chase them up tomorrow.

its a question that only the Race committe can answer i guess....

it matters to me not..just would like to know asap.

to late for me to take back what i just ordered ! ho hum.

Phil.

AK has run the NC30 on these at Rocky last Sept - and he thought they were good little tyres:)

They are very good but are very soft and last about 1500 miles on the road if you are lucky.

Phil

Have you ever regretted you have posted something??:(
All this was is a posting to say if you have any tyre questions-ask Mark.
He knows about the series and in his professional opinion we should seriously consider the BT090 for the reasons stated.
This is NOT a ruling there has been NO decision yet, but I do think there will be a decision made after the AGM during the DesmoDue meeting to be held there. I won't be there as I will be sunning myself in the Indian Ocean-so you will have to make your minds up without me.
I have just checked all of the tyre manufacturers websites and the only ones available that are specifically aimed at lower powered lightweight bikes on track are the 090's-it won't make any odds to me which way we go as I'm not riding-anyway what do I know-I still run my ST4S on Pilot Sports............:lol:

John

How about having an open choice on tyres?

It's like some people have Arai heads, and some Shoei or whatever. It;s the same with tyres. Some like Michelins and feel comfortable on them, some like Pirelli etc etc

I know the reasoning behind the suggested one-make tyre, and it's very good in principle and does work.

I know the 090's are good tyres, I've raced on them, but they're not too hot in the rain. I think I'm right in saying the tread on the rear tyre doesn't go to the edge and once you're over so far you're on slick rubber.

On the CB500's they were great for about 30 laps, and after that they got a bit slippery when pushed, so you'd be looking at more tyres to last the 11/12 races.

Something like the Diablo Corsa or Dunlop D208 or Michelin Pilot will last longer and give grip for longer, in my opinion and experience.

Any tyre rule anyone?

Whatever the tyre, my pleasure to (try to) race will be the same :lol:

Pirelli Dragon GTS pooooowwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol::lol:

There is already a vote out to all participants putting forward all the options.

It's not quite the same vote though is it.

It would still mean a single make tyre.

I'm not against a single make tyre at all, just wondering if we all need a control tyre?

I think people seemed to think it was a better idea when other tyres were mentioned, but the B'stone 090 maybe puts a different slant on the idea.

I dunno. I've just woken up, so who knows!

As far as I can see it was - the options were to run with "a single control tyre and no warmers" or "free tyres with warmers, etc.".

Yes it was and im happy with a controlled tyre THAT we all use......if we start opening up the rules too much i believe its going to get out of control.

The way I understand is,

all entrants have recently voted privately on the subject of single control tyre vs free.

the votes have been counted and we WILL be using a single control tyre without warmers.

All we need to do at the AGM is agree what the control tyre will be.

There are only a few suitable tyres that meet our requirements, ie cater for wet/damp conditions and are available in a range of sizes to fit all elligable bikes.

Two of these are:-

Pirelli Diablo's (not corsa)
and
Bridgestone BT090's

I guess what Monty was saying is, if you don't know what tyre to vote for, talk to Mark from Holbeach Tyres since he knows what he's talking about.

I would suggest that if concensus of opion can be brought closer together between now and the AGM on this particular point it will make for a far more productive afternoon on the 12th.

[Edited on 4-2-2005 by uncledunnie]

I wasn't aware that everyone had been officially told which way the voting went - I certainly haven't been informed by a member of the Desmo Due team that this was the case.

But yes, you're right - thinking about which tyre to go for now will certainly save a load of waffle next saturday!

Is dunnie getting some inside info here!! :o

If we're to be voting on which tyre then i reckon i'll go along with marks suggestion of the 090's cos i know sweet f.a. about what will be best!

[Edited on 4-2-2005 by NBs996]

I just need to know which ones we're having, then get some, fit 'em and race on 'em.

Lovely!!!

I know it was suggested a while back that going for a road-legal moulded tread tyre of your choice - is there any mileage in having a quick straw poll of all entrants and seeing what their choice is? It might make it easier to narrow it down to an "authorised" list or something?

If we decide to go for one make of tyre will the manufacture be offering prizes for 1st 2nd and 3rd ? ie front and rear for 1st, rear for 2nd and front for 3rd . Bare in mind that they will probably sell 30 sets of tyres per meeting.

Boggy 8 - glad to know you're signed up, tell us what you're running and your plans.

Tim:frog:

somehow i dont think we'll be getting through a set of tyres per meeting

Hi everyone its Mark Wright of Holbeach Motorcycle Tyres here !

As you know I have spoken to John regarding the DesmoDue Racing. I will be attending all of the New Era Meetings and will be able to assist you in any of your tyre requirements including advice and help.

The controlled tyre is a good idea for the following reasons:

* Level playing field.
* Same price for all riders.
* Competitive racing.
* Prize fund / awards - dependant of manufacturer !

It is important to choose the right controlled tyre as I understand you will not be using wets or tyre warmers.

The races will be between 6-8 laps this requires a tyre that warms up quickly without the need for tyre warmers. The tyre needs to have tread to the edge to enable it to work in the wet safely.

Bridgestone BT090 PRO has been talked about as a possibility for the controlled tyre. This is a H rated tyre that will suit the bikes you will be racing. The tyre will warm up quickly without the use of tyre warmers, give excellent grip and disperse water when needed.

This tyre is currently being used as the controlled tyre for the CB500 class which has been a great success.

Should you have any queries please give me a call on 01406 426489 / 07733 324640 or reply to this message board.

Mark.

thanks for that mark, appreciate your input, as i'm sure the rest of us nutters do.

I was hoping that if a single control tyre was used then it'd be the 090. What's your thoughts on the sort of lifespan the Bridgestones would offer? I was thinking 2 sets might last the season??

Nick, don't forget we're doing a 30-40 minute time trial at snetterton, so chances are that will finish off a pair of hoops by itself. I reckon 3 pairs would be a good budget number to go for.

christ!, you must push tyres alot harder than me, i can easily get 4 trackdays out of a set including all the road stuff in between!

Forgot about Snet.
Hopefully maximum of 3 sets... 090 Pro are circa£140 a pair from what i've found on my brief web search. Where's Iconic-webmasterdude when we want him!

Anyway, I like your idea put forward yesterday Ant, but that's for discussion at the meeting rather than an arguement on here I think!

[Edited on 8-2-2005 by NBs996]

Boys,

Hold your horses on this one, we have a meeting on tyres this afternoon, more news on Saturday

Don't panic chris, just chatting!!

I could not find the Pro listed on bridgestone website

I've nominated TP to be my proxy at the AGM as I won't be able to make it.

However, if he votes for some kind of courier-special then I'm revoking his privileges!

I think it's clear that we are going down the control tyre route and I'm happy to go with whatever the majority chooses. I can't think of anytime I have ever looked at the tyres on a bike before ****ting it down the road and thinking "ooer, I'd better take it easy"....

you had better start then!