Best Track Tyres?
 

Going to Almeria in Oct & being a rubber fetishist :-o I'm already thinking about the best tyres for a 3 day trip.....

Want a set that lasts 3 days - average inters std rider

On the list:

Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa's - SP probably

GP Racer D211 - endurance

Bridgestone R10 hard F&R

Always use Pirelli's before but love the dunlop sportsmarts and want to try the D211's but also tempted by the R10 which are 'next generation, tyres....not sure what that means but sounds impressive :-D & they've had great reviews

Anyone tried either??

Thx

Chris

I've used the Supercorsa's (sc1 front and sc2 rear) to race on the 996 with no issues however, I do prefer the R10's. They seem a tad more stable but with the same grip as the Supercorsa's and are a bit cheaper then the Pirelli's.

IMO the Dunlop's are to expensive for trackdays.

Yer pay yer money etc.................:lol:

:D

Thanks!

R10 are very good tyres for most people. No need for a hard front though.

Best grip & longevity will be attained from D211GP not the racer variety but bloody expensive.

Thanks

Didn't realise there was a difference...

I thought there was a D211 road comp

The D211 racer in endurance, med and soft

So which is best :-)

Thanks again

D211 GP are Ntec DOT racing tyres that should under no circumstance be used on the road (unless your doing TT or road racing). They are probably the best treaded tyres you can buy for track use. Soft/Med front & Med rear but depending on time of year that will actually mean different compounds (4 number compound code on tyres)

D211 GP Racer are a poor imitation for use on the road / track use.

If your going to choose compounds .. go for the harder or endurance options

The harder compounds work better in this range .. softer compounds will tend to loose grip if they overheat and wear a lot faster than normal

you might want to consider taking an extra rear too .. no point skimping if you're going all that way

You'll love almeria .. great track .. great atmosphere

Dunlop rears can be turned so you would get close to double the time on them. I would get them fitted the wrong way first as some of the tyre people associated with TDO's can be funny about turning tyres unless you have your own levers.

If your buying from holbeach, I'd ask for his recomendation on tyre compound as some of the newer tyres work better with soft compounds when it gets hotter. Dunlop suggest there endurance compound when the track temperature is low to counteract cold tear.

God its so complex! Makes DD control tyre even more sensible...!

That's great thanks :-D

Yes really looking forward to Almeria!! Went 8 years ago and it rained like a monsoon....roads washed away you would not believe it.....but still went out on my pirelli diablo's (748sps) which were great in the wet

I discovered I was pretty good in the wet and also that I was not much faster in the dry........so comparatively rubbish!

I think I will ask Holbeach's advice....as Bradders says this is getting complicated!!

But great advice so thx

Holbeach have recommended Metzeler Racetec Interact K2 F&R.......

Anyone used these??

In the end I have gone for Pirelli Diablo Superbike Pro Slicks - needs warmers -similar grip to K3's so work with std chassis & suspension - but will last 2-3 days I hope on an inters std rider like me but they are SLICKS!!! and therefore sexy as :-)

Never used then before - will report back

be careful .. slicks need to be kept at temperature

you can't just ride around like a road tyre .. you've got to keep them hot by riding hard

let them cool and the grip will drop dramatically

consider9ing slicks if I do the Hottrax Spain trip, as the BSB tyres currently fitted will be dead after the Odiham day end of the month so need new anyway. MAybe I can find some part worns...

There a set of Ntec D211 slicks on fleabay now paul. I will be shodding in new mtorsport slicks in endurance rear and medium front

Thanks for the advice

These are not 'true' slicks

Compound is more road focussed so designed to people who want slicks without the wear rate or added suspension complexity etc etc

A bit of bling really!

Many a true word said in jest!

No jest meant! :o:

Metzler race tecs

Thanks Chaz

Maybe I should have listened to Holbeach!!

In the end I have gone for Pirelli Diablo Superbike Pro Slicks - needs warmers -similar grip to K3's so work with std chassis & suspension - but will last 2-3 days I hope on an inters std rider like me but they are SLICKS!!! and therefore sexy as :-)

Never used then before - will report back

................They are brilliant!!! no criticisms what so ever

Excellent, how much a pair?

£219 from FWR in Kennington

The ones with the red line? Just got a set, FWR too, for Cartagena and cant wait ot try them! Did they last the course?

yes red stripe

yes lasted really well

Did 2 days - 12 sessions - plenty left too!

Brill, am there for 4 days but expecting to oy do 3 and have a set of BSBs fitted now to finish while learning day 1

Sooooo how were they?

Happy?

For a 620 Class A Monster, what's the control tyre and why don't people use it at other times?

One would think that it would pay to stay with what you know etc... :confused:

David

Dunlop qualifier @ £135 a pair.

I assume people do use them as a road tyre but they probably don't have the usual longevity of a conventional road tyre.

:)

That and the fact they are H-rated so my insurance would be a bit suspect if I fitted them on any of my road bikes which all have Z-rated recommended by the manufacture

And if its a trackday bike then again you shouldn't be using a 160 H-rated tyre on the bigger bikes, not many have Ducati 600s and 620s as Trackday bikes

What i'm asking is why do people put other tyres on their monsters instead of the control tyre? Getting used to one thing, racing another...

David

As Kev stated. Also the price deal I believe is only available to DD riders. To be honest if you are unsure about getting used to different types of tyres then maybe racing is not for you?

Because the current control tyre is a race tyre designed for use on 4.5 inch rim for bikes capable of a maximum of 130mph.

My 800S2R has a 5.5 inch rim and can do over 130mph and constant road use would square off the control tyre in a very short time. Hence I use a 180 z rated road tyre on my 800

I might sound a bit thick here but I still don't have/understand the answer!

Specific to 600 and 620 monsters, do people use other track tyres when they're on the track or do they stay with the control tyre? Trackday with one and race with another and if so, why? Mine has got Corsa's on it at the minute but if the previous owner was racing it, why hasn't it got D209's on it?

And as i'm looking at putting new tyres on it pretty soon, then it would make sense to a) fit D209's and b) practice with what i'm going to race with.

I know what tyres are, and speed ratings etc, it's the application and useage that puzzles me.

As I said, apologies for being a bit thick...

David

OK lets start with the thick bit, your right on that

Now if you want to race DD 600/620 YOU HAVE TO USE the control tyre

So why would on earth would you want to test on a track day with something different, or is it me thats thick.

IF it has not being raced for a 2 year period it would not have had dunlops on

Wish i'd never bothered.... :sniff: I'll keep my mouth shut.

So where has the Premiss come from that people trackday on one tyre and race on another.
I don't know of anybody racing in DD that does that and again as far as I know the majority if not all current DD bikes are only used for racing or testing/trackdays and NOT OTHER uses

I have bought DD bikes that haven't been used for a few seasons and they usually come with the old Pirelli Diablo control tyre.

Not thick at all Dave.

In my time with DD I did not use any other tyre on the bike. If I raced it somewhere else where tyres where free then I still stuck with the control tyre. Just made sense to me sticking with the tyre designed specifically for DD. I always thought that using say slicks or wets would give me a false sense of control when I swopped back to the DD tyre.
:)

Just got some tyres from here http://www.tyreleader.co.uk/motorbik...zr17-73w-56657 Really good prices

Has anyone used Michelin tyres on the ducatis to race on? On the same roundabout of Pirelli, Dunlop and the others. Am I right in that the dunlops profile is rounder than the Pirelli or is it the other way round?