Termi can mods
 

:eureka: why buy 45mm termi open cans . ive reworked my standard 996 cans by using the standard ends & aluminium sleeve dont get me wrong its not as simple as it sounds but now ive got road legal stamped race cans with new stainess steel internals for a fraction of the cost of second hand ones if anyones interested let me know ?

Tony, glad you're happy with your mods but you may be missing the point............

a) Ducati's are supposed to cost LOTS OF MONEY ! if you want biking on the cheap buy a UJM (then you can also brag about how reasonable the servicing is.......)

b) Termi's go with Ducati's like bacon goes with eggs, cheese goes with biscuits etc......
Standard cans look naff (sorry but they do)

yep standard cans SUCK and they weigh a lot too.
er any way glad you are happy with the mod

Termi can mods
 

some off us buy bikes to use some buy em to look at. form or function. sorry u think im cheapening the marque but im being realistic .but what ive saved on cans will pay for two or three trackdays more important to me than keeping up with mr & mrs Jones

Until you get stopped, and charged with attempting to defraud etc.

Also, just because they have a road legal stamp doesn't make them legal. They still have to comply to those standards, not just be stamped.

Coring (which is what you've done) makes them illegal.
The MoT has now been changed so that the tester can fail your bike if he believes they are excessively loud. This was done because it's too easy to get a plate or band made with the BSAU / E mark on it.

So, you've just bu&&ered some standard cans.

Best look on ebay for a new set, for when you get pulled / MoT fails etc....

Never butcher standard cans. You may need them at least once a year. The price of standard cans on ebay gets as expensive as race/non standard lately. Hope you can put them back if you need to:o

You lot sound like a right load of Righteous nerds. Get a life, its not the first time someone has done this and it won't be the last. He can always borrow a set of cans for the MOT.

Good for you tony,Its always good when you can do it yourself and save a fortune in the process. !!!

/ian

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so far very interesting reading has anyone here any expertise in exsuast design/manufacture.I have for the likes of (aston martin/virage) (t.v.r/various models produced) (jaguar/xj 220) plus numerous race teams & projects .as for the term BU*****D like i said at the begining its not as simple as it sounds. All the work was carried out in a fully equiped fabrication shop not by some spotty teen with an angle grinder & a couple of drill bits . u see some people like to use their hands for things other than pulling pound notes out of our pockets .as for the legality were all road legal on this site are we .look above ,whats that......OINK...OINK :pig: must be gettin ready for take off

My ST4 came with cored standard cans when i bought it. Its passed three MOT's like that as well (the last one was after the new rules came into play). Its seriously loud, never had the slightest problem with the police or anyone else come to that. The cans weigh next to nothing becasue all the insides have been taken out. Got a standard set off ebay (for £46 last week) just in case!
Much more cost effective mod than paying hundreds for fancy carbon cans that give you a 2hp increase that you cant use anyhow and will certainly fail the test due to the not for road use stamps.

Like Jon said, some people on here need to get a life.

Like your style tony dude, keep up the good work.

I wish I had your skills fella!

Care to share the details of the mods,any pics

;)

Mmmmmmmmmm,

Yep see your point mate. Some people like and want termis. Other people like yourself want to adapt their standard cans and save a whole load of wonga.

Like you have stated, you get to spend money on track days. Nice one.

Each to their own is the standard saying I think.:D

DC.:burn:

If you get stopped with them and they test them you will get a very lige fine for doing it so thats the money you saved gone should have spent it on a propper set of pipes in the first place

tony
I have thought about doing this mod for the same reasons as you.
I don't want to spend a load of cash on some burbery coated bullshit cans just so I can be in with the lads and I want to keep the appearance of the bike standard (ok so i've got black wheels) so the origional cans look fine to me.
I would appreciate some detail of how you did it.

Cheers.

Hello

tony h fair play to you mate. .

Just out of intrest how would you know if your Termi's were needing repacking, sorry what are the tell tell signs. . . that the end cams are on the way out.

regards

TopiToo

Did the same years ago on a 916, no probs with cops or MOT, bought it like that officer :D:D. I really can't understand all the negative posts on this :puzzled::puzzled:, hope its not elitist b*****t coming out of the woodwork again :(:(

Of course it is. Has anyone ever been tested by the Police or anyone else? MOT stations dont have noise testing equipment, i'm sure the Police dont either. Even if they did you are looking at a £30 rectification notice. I've never heard of anyone being done for "perverting the course of justice" Oh yeh, a set of termis for £500 plus will give you the 3 or 4 extra horspeower that you really need dont you? Or like the others have said, is it really a case of letting everyone know how much money you have? I guess designer clothes and £200 oakley sunglasses fall into the same category.

If its pose value that you want then i can tell you that i've had loads of people come and ask me why my bike sounds so good on standard cans when they have paid hundreds for some fancy system to get the same results.

I wouldnt hesitate on doing the same mods to the next bike i own so well done Tony H.

Hi I have just been reading through this thread and would like to just confirm a few details

1/ Speaking for myself I believe Carbon Termi race pipes do LOOK and sound much better than standard cans.

2/ I also like to ride my bikes hard within my own limits, and I would imagine that most Ducati riders would not notice the 1 2 or 3 BHP they will gain by there installation, so until you get in to bigbor race pipes and engine tuning its purely a looks/sound thing is it not?

3/ Race rep is the term used to describe our chosen steeds and the standard cans are probably the first single (or double) step in the list of very desirable tuning see individualising our own bike.

4/ It seems there was a lot of animosity from opposite ends of the spectrum on this but surely you seem to be happy with the sound you crate where as others want to look cool at the pub.

5/ you ask if anyone is interested in this mod but could you tell us weather this is to share your knowledge with us or as a service that you can provide at a cost

6/ we are talking about a beautiful looking bike to start with So how you say you don’t want to keep up with the Jones’s BAFFLES me because an’t we doing that by owning one it the first place.

7/ I hope this lets you know that having the opinion that Termi cans Look the Bo***cks is not a personal affront to your obvious engineering skills

8/ A full service on one of these things will cost substantially more than a set of second hand cans, so to be flippant with the costs of Ducati ownership for us less talented engineers, becomes a standing joke not a boast

Good luck to you fella hope to see you on the road eye to eye although you won’t see my eyes coz I still wear a black visor, small number plate and race pipes, coz they look cool down the pub
and I still get an M O T
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::frog:

lots jumped the gun there eh!but aka .erics asked the question at last details ! right then .i,ll try & explain briefly 1)strip cans so all your left is two ends & ally sleeve(2) get perf tube as if your makin a race can but split it & spigot it half way (3)weld outlet side perf to outlet plate (will need to make another angled spigot for this)other half of perf slides on inlet spigot (4)now were all the rivets were tigweld 6mm nuts on insde of end plates must all bolt together (5)bolt outlet end on & re pack. bolt inlet end on & hey presto race can. but why did we split the perf (are you reading mr-s/albie)for mot/or live next door to mr- s.remove inlet end & packing look inside your can & you,l see half the perf stickin up (now the trick part) you need to make a baffle plate same profile as your can. get the centre & weld on two drilled tubes 160 long (not to many holes)& make sure they slide over your perf . now either side of your tubes you need two 25mm holes . slide assembly into can DO NOT PACK & bolt end on hey presto baffled very restrictive (road/mot/mr-s/police/fruad squad/aint got to look on ebay can) :sing::sing::sing:

Im a toolmaker by trade and I see where your coming from with mods. Its not easy doing what you have done and credit to you for having done it. Most people haven't got facilitys of own or friends to blagg or tig welders and to be able to pick up metals ie stainless and alloys easy and cheap. Most people will pay out for aftermarkets cos the works done and they look /sound good and people notice and can sell them on for good money. You are very lucky to have these skills and facilitys and carry on doing the good work. Good tips will help some and encourage others. All sorts of things in racing are copied or adapted from seeing others work and generally improved on .Thats how things evolve. But most just like whats out there made for them by the top companys. Not everybodys got time for an allotment for their own food source. :)

Coring, with Pictures.

http://www.ducatisuite.com/superbikemufflers.html


Not for those who want to do a noise limited trackday though...

thanks albie to be honest i.m a little dissapointed/annoyed with some comments and lack of understanding on this thread some dont realise its not because your tight or cant afford to go out & buy trick bits its the challenge & self satisfaction ,some jobs more than others i,ve got a yoshi system & carbon can on my track blade because whats the challenge in makin a bogo race can (none) yes i maybe lucky but aint that a bonus for others i,e sharpo asked how do you do ur cans. well beancounters attitude is (ducatis are supposed to cost a lot of money )i,e buy some what help is that! one of my mates can make titanium wheelnuts/spindles very cheap but hey ducatis=lots of money right .i completely understand the that looks better than this viewpoint but people dismissed my can mods straight away without even askin (wot u done then) instead lecturing on law & dot policy i thought this was a club to get help/advice & talk ducati ?

Termi can mods
 

so mr-s this is what you think ive done to my cans is it .i have seen this site before & i,d never do this to mine or anybody else,s cans its a complete & utter bodge if you take a look at my breif description of what ive done im using none of the original internals whatsoever it is all completeley new if anybody dosnt understand & wants to mod there cans u2u me and i,ll help the best i can (DO NOT DO YOUR CANS LIKE THAT) if you want just a race can without removable baffle you can do the internals identical to termi race cans & no i,m not charging i.ll just tell how to do it and where to get the materials (ericthered) its called helping out.......:flame:

If I hadn't already gone down the termi route I would have no hesitation to do this. Thanks for sharing with us and offering to help.

All the best.

My thoughts exactly:(:(:(:(:(

At the start of this thread some body said modded standard cans are fraudulant and illegal.

But aren't bacon & egg Termis too ?

Delooney.

Termi's are marked Not For Road use, or Race Use Only, so although not road legal, they don't claim to comply to the BS construction standards so not a fraudulent act (unless you stick an false BS label on them)

Modifying / coring your standard cans is making a constructional change, and makes them non compliant to the BS Standard. No problem, unless you try to pass them off as standard / compliant then your into and act of fraud / perverting the course of justice or whatever they could choose to use against you. This has the potential for a far greater penalty than a £30 fine and rectification notice.

Tony H

I've not said that what you have done is in anyway a poor relation to Termi's, Arrows or any other aftermarket solution.

Bu&&ered was used as subjective term and, since you gave no detail on the mod other than the briefest of details until a later post, was used purely in relation to them being no longer standard or legal.

My point in the discussion is aimed purely at the fact that once you make a change such as this the BS / E mark becomes invalid and there is the POTENTIAL for a far greater penalty than if you were running Race Use Only cans.

So, maybe my original posting was not clear and maybe inappropriately worded, however it doesn't change my opinion on the potential legal risks.

Personally, I'd rather pay the few hundred quid the race cans cost me and risk a rectification notice. Than core (and lets use this term for all modifications / professional or DIY) my original cans and risk more.

A couple of other reasons I'd not core my standard cans

- MoT - Noise testing is now subjective, regardless of the markings
- Quiet trackdays - sub 98dB days. Standard cans please
- Resale - I'd be seeing this as a subject for heavy discounting - Also a potential buyer may ask the question "If he scrimped on this, what else has he scrimped on??" - I'd also be looking for sufficient discount to replace the standard cans.
- Race cans sell separately.
- Because my times valuable, and I'll make a lot of decisions of mod vs buy based on how long will the mod take at my personal hourly rate vs buying whatever it may be.

tony h,

if it makes you smile, its fine by me ..... there is a holier than thou element here at times, usually just after pub chucking out time .. just ignore them .... :lol::lol:

Tony H
Sorry you coped the hump that I asked if this was a professional service.
I was very interested in your mod’s as it is getting harder to duck and dive round our local constabulary with modified bikes.
As you will see from the pic I come from the highly modified side of the fence.
This is also my track bike it has been gradually developed with the help of Tecmoto in Essex over five years to look good and handle well
I suppose I could cop the hump that you think that just because someone tricks up their bike that they can’t ride it, or that spending your money on lovely engineered parts is a crime when you don’t have the skill to D I Y it
just take a look at the some of the members screen names (cashburning 748r to see the type of money joke )
As I said before good luck fella very interesting stuff
PS I will help anyone out in any way I can.


:lol::lol::lol::cool:

:o

Sadly my name comes from the girlfriend who calls it the 'cash burner', not because of bling or trick but the repair bills :(

Yes but your still in the mood for carbon :lol::lol::lol:

Well you were when I posted this 80%:frog:

[Edited on 26-2-2005 by ericthered40]

ok ok you got me (just changed it) ;)

p.s your bike is boss, you should be proud

[Edited on 26-2-2005 by cashburning748r]

thanks soon as this weather gets its ass in gear its gona get a dam good thrashin to.
:burn:

Baines Racing can do this mod (invisibly) to your standard cans, and they certainly sound 'frutier' afterwards. My own bike has had this done - in conjunction with the airbox mod and fatter chip. The bike is now more responsive at all revs, and it has never been a problem at MOT time. (However, a noticeable performance improvement can still be felt when DP carbon cans are fitted).

Appearance is down to personal taste, and I prefer the look of the bike with the original cans fitted. They're less of a target for opportunist thieves too. (The cans on an 888 can be removed very quickly!)

(When it comes to 'must have' accessories, maybe we're all just slaves to marketing hype? After all, Titanium is more abundant than Tin. If you want a bike with real 'bling', get yourself some Tin cans fitted!)

Wont be long now dude... :cool:

carbon
 

now then i know how to make carbon fibre using bits of string & lumps of coal ,anybody interested :eureka::lol::lol::lol::lol:..........seriously i am addicted to the stuff got most bits just side panels /nose/tank to go ,not sure about the tank......imagine they could give trouble ,anybody know ?

tanks were available from Casoli I believe but Jasper here had his tank carbon wrapped on his 853, looked awesome .... Madmav is just about to start side panel production and they are looking good and I think theres a nosecone on ebay ......

HTH

I know that Logyk had a lot of problems with petrol leaking from the area around the fuel cap on his carbon tank.....don't know how or if it got sorted.

OOOOHHH What a long thread !!!!

My two pennyworth is ......

I LOVE BLING....There is nearly £4500 worth of aftermarket stuff on my bike, and I am now looking to spend more....hehe..Ohlins is next on the list, and I am a slow riderl, I look fast, and I can get my knee down at will, and I am a wheelie addict, but fast ???? nah not me... Novice group on trackdays.

If Tony is happy with what he has done, BIG UP to ya matey !!!

I am fortunate in that I can afford to do stuff, if I was technically capable of doing i myself, I would, but I cant, I bet most of the replies on here suggesting the guy is a lemon for doing what he has done are from guys like me who do not have the "minerals" to have a go. (There will be the exception to this of course)

Nice one mate, If you are happy, bu**er the lot of em.

Geoff M