Views on Tl 1000s?
 

so what are peoples views on these little beauty bikes then?

Am now selling the 400 for about £1500.Haven't put an ad up yet tho.

I think the 400 is perfect but it is wayyyyyyyy to small for me being rather tall:(.
And i think a sports 600(more than enough power) is fine but i really want a V-twin and was thinking about the Tl,not a lame SV.


Ed.

i would get a ducati but it would have a to be a 916 and my insurance would batter me big time.
Tl 1000 is much cheaper insurance wise.

get yersen a proper bike;)

Won't handle as well as your 400. Strong engine, dodgy handling unless sorted. How about a early Aprilia RSV. They should fit you size wise.

I'm with Felix, I hear they have a reputation at spitting people off....

I think that was all a buit over-hyped by the comic.

I'm sure Skids can advise better but, I've ridden a well sorted TL and was very impressed. Very smooth power and not as 'involving' a ride as my 900ss (but there again I've never ridden a modern 4V Duke either).

Low down power has not as good as I thought but mid-to high range power is storming :)

Make sure you get to ride BEFORE you buy!

Frank

to true,seen a rider thrown off at hartside,be careful.

a friend of mine bought an early TL, a new one when they came out.

cruising at 70 on the motorway it went into massive wobble for no apparent reason, say witnesses, and spat him off. Friend is no more :(

so from where I'm sitting, the comic didn't hype anything up.

[Edited on 3-3-2005 by NBs996]

I've ridden the TL1000S and owned a VTR. The TL was quicker, as in more horsepower, steered pretty quick but the front end was light and didn't give me much feedback, like they hadn't got the balance of the bike right (it was the first released model I rode). Some said fitting a damper would sort it out but I ended up buying a VTR - a very under-rated bike! The VTR felt planted by comparison.

The VTR has a crap fuel range (worse than my 996) and less horsepower than the TL but if you're buying Japanese (oh dear - get the 916!!) then you may as well plump for the Honda - very reliable. And they sound pretty good with a nice set of cans.

But, get the bloody Ducati and be done with it! :lol: you know you want to!

I had a major accident on a TL1000 and am still not sure why - as I lost the front, not the rear.

This was on one of the very last bikes with steering damper and 'detuned' engine.

Up till that point I was enjoying it very much !

You pays yer money and takes yer chances.....

p.s. - Aprillia Falco !!!

Like being on an over weight dolphin , no brakes , no handling , grt engine - only consider the "r" if your mad....!!

748r that's it ....????

If insurance is the issue, why not consider a 748?

A well setup 748 could make similar power to a 916 (although less torque) give you the cheaper insurance, keep with a V-Twin and sublime handling. Then 853 it or upgrade to a 916 later..

This is the dyno chart from my 748 after the FIM chip was setup last year

http://www.chathamclose.com/pics/dyno.jpg

The 916 we used for comparison made 5BHP more all the way up the curve btw.

No experience of 'em, only what I've read. Dodgy rear shock wasn't it? Some sort of nvel radial shock design to maximise space. The placement of the shock was tucked in some place where it didn't get any cooling and there was too little oil in it to cool easily anyway. Damping oil used to get too hot, lose viscosity and all rear damping went to pot. They had an evil reputation as a widow maker, although I think they can be sorted with aftermarket stuff.

The 1000R was a different kettle of bananas with a more conventional shock I think, but also lots more expensive for someone in you position I should think. Someone who really knows what they're talking about will be along in a minute.

Why does it have to be a 916 Jewell? I rode Fordie's 900SS a year or so back and was well impressed with how it went. Fast enough for all but nutters on the road. Should be able to pick one up relatively cheap and the insurance shouldn't kill ya either.

RSV or Falco would get my vote. Even the very early ones are good handlers and are reliable as anything. If you get an early RSV or any Falco, budget for a rear shock if they haven't had a replacement. They're not the best units around. The RSVs had a white spring and I think the Falco ones are blue (or white). From 2001 onwards the RSV had a better Sachs shock with a yellow spring.

If you're on a bit of a budget, a Falco with a decent rear shock is a very capable bike. The RSV looks a bit better (IMO) and has the heritage of WSB racing. You pays yer money and takes yer choice.

Or if the insurance and running costs of a 4V are too much try a 900SS, you'll be suprised how good the 2V engines are on the road:burn:

Cheers Steve - nice one !!!

The early TL1000S is a real hooligan tool that has far to much power for the standard chassis, I still have one although it is in bits in the workshop. I have owned a few and even raced one for a season and a half. The race bike had quite a few mods to try and improve its handling but it was never going to handle as well as a Ducati although it did blow by many of them on the airfield race circuits. At some meetings I was taking the TL and the 916 Strada along to race in Sound of Thunder and Streetstocks, somewhere like Darley Moor I would mainly race the TL as it lapped faster at Pembrey the 916 got used as it lapped faster. Still have very fond memories of the TL which was my first V-twin and I'm hoping the 998 Hybrid is going to give me the TL power characteristics with improved Ducati handling.

for those that haven't yet met Skid and Jewell this is what I'd imagine thier first test run with the TL looking like ... probably with Dallas riding the bike ......

:P

go for the VTR if its got to be un Italian. otherwise get a 748. job job'd

Dibble thats a picture of my original Harris Magnum 2 you have there, must admit I hopped off it pretty rapid like when it was roasted nuts time, didn't do much for the Alloy tank, plastic Keihin smoothbore inlet trumpets, wiring etc.

but was the "flux capacitor" ok ..?????

:P

I suspect the Pulse transformer or the inverse diode stack


oops thats work getting in the way again :frog:

bear in mind Jewel is only about 18, so insurance on anything larger than 600 is going to be diffucult and expensive...if you can stretch to a tl ins cost, go with a 748 - would imagine the buying cost would be similar to a tl for an early model and much more fun:)

alternatively, why not try an early zxr750 - great bikes and fairly large so should fit you, again bit cheaper ins than the bigger bikes.....just a thought.

I think my TL1000S was group 14, there is one on Visordown for £2400 and I have seen them go for £2100 on Ebay this winter.

900SSie is group 13

Jewelly how about an ss750 or ss900?

19 paul.:D
have thought about the zx-7r and nearly bought one as it was going dirt cheap.
have a big soft spot for the TL 1000S,just its rep......just love the bike:D:D

yeah seen that one on VD skidlids,its a beauty,guy lives near to mogwai(honiton).

and also a big bonus is that i find its comfy the tl1000......much easier on my back.

insurance will be TPO,will be in garage.......very safe.

not my cup of tea really.

sweet bikes tho.:)

Sounds like you've made your decision mate - go buy it now :D

will do.

just gotta sell my bike.wont be hard as its a minter with everything original except rick oliver rearsets and braided hoses,plus im selling cheap.
I give it 3 weeks max.:D

The TL is boss, had one for a few years and it successfully introduced to me to the twin engine and subsequent ducati ownership.

Micron cans made it sound awesome, in fact, I still have them if you want a pair for a couple of quid to get you going.

Dont take it for granted and you will enjoy a super motorcycle that still looks cool today. Only went down once and that was a lowside on cold tyres, dont believe everything you read!

Good luck

TL1000s
 

:D

I had one mate.

When they first came out. Mine had the usual race cans and extras. I think it was an awsome bike. I used to read MCN ****ging it off every other week and thought :mad: I used to easliy blast blades and the like of the time.

I dropped the forks through the yokes to quicken the steering up and took that blasted damper off. The handling around town was vastly improved. The front end felt better too. But I always liked a bike that had a skittish front end to it when really going for it.

Mind you, I never got that rear end sorted out. It was ok though!!;)

I suppose for a real world bike it was ok. Off course it might loose out on a race track but then it was never a race bike. Well the S model wasnt anyhow.

I say get one if its in good nick and the price is right. Its a mega bike and that engine!!!!

I still think of grafting one into my 748 frame.:o Only in the interests of tinkering you understand!!devil:;)


DC.:burn:

[Edited on 3-3-2005 by DC]

[Edited on 3-3-2005 by DC]

I have my TLR for sale.
But it's a bit more focused than an "s" i'm about to advertise it in MCN probably but it's here if you want a look.
http://www.arma.nildram.co.uk/bike/p...0r/page_01.htm

Make me an offer £3,100 and it's yours or anybody else's for that matter.
I got a 916, a lot more civilised but the TLR's have bags more grunt.

very tidy TLR mate.......
but i think its got to be an S.......3 mates have said not the R to me.....lol

that will go quickly mate....sweet sweet bike.:cool::rodent:

good luck.

just got my insurance quote.......from bennets..TPO £813.
another company wouldn't insure me because of my age.gotta be 24 lol.

813 aint bad for my first quote tho.i think i can get it down to 500 TPO.

and TPFT is 1139.:)

[Edited on 4-3-2005 by Jewell]

Hello,

On the subject of TL1000 is there such a bike as a TL1000F?
I know its not the race bike such as the "S" the reg is Y yrs 2000.
I am trying to lacate hugger/belly pan, but was advised that a hugger would cause problems with rear shock as stated by Jools.

" Dodgy rear shock wasn't it? Some sort of nvel radial shock design to maximise space. The placement of the shock was tucked in some place where it didn't get any cooling"

any info would be most helpful

regards

TopiToo

The rear shock mounting point on the "s" can crack due to the damping being a bit too heavy.
When the shock heats up it loses it's damping capability so the back end becomes a pogo.
Some people change the rear rotery damper for a more conventional type but that'll cost you around £4-500 if you don't ride hard it may never be a problem but pillions do cause the pogo effect after a while on bumpy roads.
I also hear negative things about the "r" but it was designed to race and therefore it's a bit twitchy on the road, i'm selling mine cos "it scares the **** out of me" and the 916 feels like a pussycat. :lol:

friend of a friend died on TL1000, experienced rider just lost it on the twisty's. Great deep zorst note though, remember the WSBK bikes, those were the days; deep noise of the TL's and screams/pops/bangs and flames from the ZX7R's. Wasn't Goeburt on TL1000 engined Bimota and that threw him over the bars!

916 insurance is not that bad, - can be same group/price as a 748. To be honest I would start the big vee twin experience on a SS, a 900SS carb or injection is a hell of a bike, learn to ride it right and not difficult to out ride lesser riders on R1's etc. - Oh and shell suit paint jobs have no place on motorbikes ;) get a Duc, you know you owe it to us old giffers Ed!

[Edited on 4-3-2005 by Ian]