05 Ducatis HP figure - True or BS??
 

Ducati announced a fairly big increase in clamied HP figure for the 05 999 range.
The claimed HP for the base 05 999 is now the same as the HP claimed for the 04 999R. And the claimed HP for the 05 R is 11HP more than the 04 R.

I don't doubt 05 999's have a bit more power (2-3 HP???) than the 04 models, BUT i highly doubt a base 05 999 have the same HP as the 04 R or the 05 R have more 11 HP than the 04 R.
I think (not sure) this is all more a marketing thing than anything else.
And i've heard (just heard) that Ducati simply used a different dyno (or different kind of method to measuring HP).

To ad to that i noticed that Superbike Magazine did 2 comparos in different months and if you read the HP results carefully you'll find something fishy is happening.
It goes like this....... in Superbike 04 August issue they did an Italian comparo (with the Benelli Tre, the Aprilia RSVR Factory and the 04 999R) and the rear wheel HP measured figures were (if i stand correct, because i don't have the mag here):
999R - 133 HP
RSVR Factory - 123 HP
Benelli - 123 HP

On another issue (November??) the same magazine did a twin comparo between the base 05 999, the base RSVR and the VTR SP2.
On this comparo the rear wheel HP measured figures were (again, if i stand correct, because i don't have the mag here):
999 - 133 HP (which would confirm Ducati's claimed figures)
RSVR - 133 HP
VTR SP2 (don't remember but it's irrelevant here)

NOW........... the fishy thing is........ the Factory and the RSVR have the exact same engine so there is no chance that the RSVR could have more 10 HP than the Factory (and not even 133 HP, because that's more than what Aprilia claims), which means the base 05 999 doesn't have 133HP but around 123HP just like the RSVR!!!

I don't know, but i think people are being bullshitted with this 05 999's new HP figures (just like it happens with the jap bikes).

Ok, sorry for the long post but i would like top know your views on this. And can anyone confirm this or not?
Anyone have real dyno figures comparing the 04 999's with the 05 999's???

Unless you do a back to back on the same day, you'll never know.

Ducati now state crank power not rear wheel like they used to.

IMO, there won't much difference between the two. A few horsepower here and there. The main update will be in the mapping and internals to give a smoother curve.

My understanding is that they have changed the figures they quote from rear wheel HP to crank HP to bring it inline with the Japanese manufacturers.

Yeah, that's what i think also.
But from what i've heard (again... just heard) Ducati isn't measuring power at the rear wheel for a long time now....

This came up a while ago and I think the general feeling was that Ducati have now followed the trend of the Jap manufacturers and are quoting different BHP figs from previous years.

Now readings are quoted from the crank and not the rear wheel as in the past.

This puts them on a more even playing field with the opposition, but makes a bit of a joke of the power increase claims.

I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't justify the HP differences on those tests i mentioned because they were all measured at the rear wheel.
And i think Ducati was arleady measuring HP at the crank in 04 and previous years.

As Harv has said this was covered by several a month or so ago, including myself, basically Ducati have now followed what the Japs have been doing for years, and quoting crank HP, also weight is reduced as I recall... how? Again because they are now quoting dry weight, this excludes fuel, oil, fork oil, clutch/brake fluids and even battery acid

Nope, you're wrong. This is the first year that Ducati have quoted bhp at the crank figures. This is also the first year that they've quoted dry weight figures, previously all Dukes were weighed without fuel but with all other fluids.

That's why all the power figures are up and the weights are down.

What difference does it make anyway? Most of us will never be able to get anywhere near pushing a superbike to it's limits so what if it's 130 bhp or 230 bhp it's all academic

oh i dont know, im sure i could get spat off much quicker on a 230 bhp bike! :D

Exactly... and whilst bouncing around in the gravel you could be estimating the rebuild costs!:o

Noooo.... don't say that.
It's obvious that a 130 hp or 230 hp is the same ****.
That's why i just don't get why people buy a 999 intead of a 749 for instance........... :rolleye:

Ducsoon

I would like to congratulate you on hitting 85 posts in one month without actually buying a Ducati or joining the club !

Well done (no, really)

Oh....your question - I'm with Jools, doesn't matter too much what the power is, it's plenty.

Hope you get your bike (duc) soon !

Hey, we all know you have a ducati already (man, you must think you're a god for that :rolleye: ), so there no need to post about me don't having one everytime i post here.

Don't worry, I'll keep managing with my 05 MV Agusta and my 04 R1 :( until i feel like i want to get my Duc, if and when i get it.
Is that a problem to you?

Cool !

Is the Mv a 750 or 1000 ?

1000

Nice

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Ducati are indeed quoting crank BHP for 2005. As mentioned, this bring them in line with the "big 4".

The magazine articles are for intents and purposes "comparisons". They can't be judged as anything else really.
Every dyno will read slightly different. Every operator has different ways of testing. Even different weather conditions can affect the readings.
There are also different standards by which to measure power. Switching between these can lose/gain 8% or so.
Without the articles stating which standard they are measuring to, whether the readings are corrected for weather conditions and whether they are measuring crank/sprocket/wheel BHP, then all they'll ever be will be a guide to the differences between the test machines on that day.

Is that your bag?
You should change your screen name to Real McGay then :rodent:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Now Now girls :o

What should your name be Duc LOON :lol:

[Edited on 10-3-2005 by Real McCoy]

Why have you got a 1000 mv not a 750, and an r1 instead of an r6 then?:sniff:

Well spotted andyb:eureka: :eureka:

:puzzled:

Hey, let me introduce you to a friend of mine named............. IRONY!!!

C'mon didn't you saw the :rolleye: smillie?
And do you think 130 hp is the same as 230 hp?? :rolleye:

130 bhp is sooooooooooooooooooo last year. ;)

Youd of been so ecstatic if you had of had that last year...............I do believe less than 120 was last year???:P:lol:

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