Translogic Race Dash
 

Hi All, some input on who would be best suited to install and setup my new toy(Translogic MD2 Race Dash) on Ducati 996. Only been on order since Nov 04, but finally got here.
I'm in the Wigan area, someone relativley close.
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Thanks.

Will be interested to hear how you get on with it.

Its one of those items I keep going back to and looking at...still undecided if I want one or not:puzzled:

Have you got the 'extra bit' needed to retro fit the mechanical speedo of a Duke...or do you not need one???

:o:o:o

Wow nice! I have been looking into these. Let me know how you get on with it

No idea to be honest, but I'm only down the road, so if you need a hand let me know

Yes, I have the optional speed sensor, but would like this fitted professionally as it need rolling road to set mph. Not that many wires to connect but just don't have the time.

Sweeeet :D congrats ;)

Put some pics here after it's installed and let us know how good it is.
Ah... and how much did you pay for that?

Ordered from NEC from Harris. At show £440 all in.

Is it just a display or does it have any data logging as well?

I believe its display only, but has lap timmer via button on handlebar.

These are very nice, I know someone with a blade whose had this fitted. Impressive bit of kit he says,

This site maybe worth looking at :D

You could calibrate the MPH with a GPS receiver.

What is it with Essex & gps?? You must spend far to much time with Desmondo mate!

Thanks contacted them, may be they can fit me in for a engine re-map as well. They will ring back tomorrow.

Don't be a poof! :lol::lol::lol:

Calibrate it on the paddock stand! Thats where I'll be calibrating mine when I get round to fitting it. Lovely bit o kit though!

Mossy, have you decided where to position your "speed" sensor yet? I had thought of using the front disc bolts as the "source" unfortunately they are stainless steel and as such will have no effect on a Hall effect switch. Think it may have to be the rear disc, but mounting the sensor is gonna be tricky.

Mount it behind the front sprocket so that it triggers off the teeth. Works great and you don't have to deal with the wire going through suspension.

Will that really work Felix? Have to admit it would be a wonderfully elegant solution.

Hang on tho, it won't show the right speed when I'm sliding the rear wheel tho.......:lol:

As long as you can program the dash for the right number of pulses per revolution then it will. I've done this a few times with Stack gauges and it worked a treat. The correct number of pulses, by the way, is the number of teeth of your rear sprocket. Obviously, you'll also need to enter tyre circumference.

To other error, beside the rear tyre spinning, is when you're cranked over on the edge of the tyre as the circumference is less when compared to the centre of the tyre. Not that that would be a problem for you, I presume.;)

Yep, to all that, you can program the dash with a bit of string not a dyno. Ehh?

Well, lay a bit of string (or a tape measure) in your drive. Mark a point on your tyre and push it along, your only measuring the circumference. With that number, you can do the rest of the math to workout (and programe in) whatever detail the dash needs. Eg. how far you are travelling per tyre revolution and how many pulses per rev of the sensor (if you put it on the gearbox O/P) is a simple calc on the 15/41 (or whatever) ratio of the final drive.

Happy to talk you through it if you want to give me a call.

Rgds, Rob

Hi All, contacted company at Garstang but they are not interested in doing the dash as they say it needs a bracket making, never mind looks like Super Glue and some cable ties are in order. I just wanted to drop it off and in a couple of days pick it up all down and dusted, as last year spent too long fiddling with add ons instead of riding the bloody thing. But looks like a few weeks in the shed to sort out :(

Erm, actually, no. It's only the size of the rear sprocket that matters. No calculation required. Think about it.

Sorry Guys not a clue, but they tune the Ducati's for the Monster Mob Team.

Is that, or wasn't that slingshot racing?

Jim Stock etc?

no,its FW developments,frank wrathall,ie Dynojet uk !!!,jims nothin to do with them at all.he sells race bikes !!!

....Errrr and sets up the Monstermob bikes for Birdy

Felix, Go on then, I'll bite. If your using the pulses on the front sprocket as the speed input, why don't you need to do the math? The speed the front sprocket rotates compared to road speed, is goverened by tyre circumference and final drive ratio. Eg. a tooth of the back means more road speed for same front sprocket rotations.

Rgds, Rob

One revolution of the rear wheel equals the number of teeth on the rear sprocket, which is also that many links of chain travel. What your measuring is chain links, even when the sensor is positioned on the front sprocket. I know it seems counterintuitive but that's how it works.

Ah, different approach. You mount the sensor on the front sprocket, but tell the dash, logger, whatever, that it's a 41 tooth and is equivalant to x meters of travel. Got ya.

Rgds, Rob

Regardless of all that, spoke to Translogic today and they reckon it won't work with their dash. Not sure why, but looks like I'll be putting a couple of ferrous bolts back into the rear disc.

Hard to believe, that.

Sounds like the translogic stuff can't deal with counting 40 odd clicks per wheel rev. software not up to the job. I wire up dash mounted dataloggers to the front wheel. Easier wiring, run the wire down the speedo cable/brake line. Little bracket off the axle pinch bolts to pick up the front disc bolts.

Okay I'll conceed you cant see what speed your wheeliing at :lol:

Rik

Just spoke to the guy from translogic after he answered my email information request via a phone call (very kind of him)!

He's suprised at the number of calls he seems to be getting at the moment from Ducati owners!!

I was asking about approved installations centres, and the best he suggested was Harris.

I also mentioned my concearns over fitting to the bike (bracketry etc) and he did say that they don't have a specific one for Dukes, but if you contact Steve Harris himself, he may be able to sort something. The translogic guy was going to call him after he had spoken to me...so he may have sorted somthing.

Worth a call...

Also...for those interested they now have a demo of it on their site, just go to the section for that dash, and there is a demo button, takes a minute to download, but it looks very impressive I have to say!

and it don't work on stainless disc bolts!!!!

I also spoke to Translogic and got the same reply, better to use rear sprocket carrier. Also the temp contection, the wiring harness has a ring terminal which is a temp sensor :o so forget the original signal to the Ducati guage. Starting work on it this weekend, first is to remove all plastics and then have a sit down :lol: followed by a nice pint of extra cold Guiness.

Keep us posted cmoss...

Ditto Mossy, I'm STILL awaiting the bike's return from Spain, so can do no more than look at mine!

One possible problem i have identified is the need to make the speed sensor bracket adjustable if using the back wheel cos of the eccentric chain adjuster.

My own thoughts are to drill and tap a couple of 6 mm threads in the top of the swinger and mount a block with elongated holes to hold the sensor in line with the rear disc bolts. If it works, I will probably cast a few and make them avaiable for fellow Ducatisti. Just need to work out how far from the hub I need to drill to make sure I don't drill into the hub itself.

Now if only I had a bike to look at..... :sing:

[Edited on 17-3-2005 by yeti]

Yeti, if your front sprocket is held in place with the "2 screw and plate" method, you might be able to mount the speed sensor on the front sprocket cover, picking up those screw heads. If your front sprocket is held in place with a large single nut, then just ignore the rest.

The number of pulses per revolution is then given by the sprocket ratio, front to rear. Going by an average ratio, you get about 5 pulses per revolution of the rear wheel. However, it would be a fractional number, which the dash might not be able to deal with. Check with Translogic.

Some Hondas have this arrangement, so it can work.

If you have to mount it on the rear wheel, try to mount it on the rear caliper retaining bracket. That way, you won't have to deal with the eccentric adjuster problem.

Here is how it's done on the 998F03:



[Edited on 17-3-2005 by Felix]

Looks good Felix. If I ever get the bloody bike back from Spain, I'll whip the wheel off and see if I can modify the caliper bracket to take the sensor.

Am about to fit a new caliper and bracket anyway, so that may be even easier to modify when the time comes.

Will keep you posted and put up some pics in due course.

In the absence of my own bike, I had a look at a 748 when I was up at Helly's on Friday. I reckon by making up a special "spacer" bolt, it would be possible to drill and tap the rearmost part of the rear caliper bracket to take said "spacer" and mount the speed sensor on that.

Now I got the bike back, I'll have a go at it next week and post some pics of the results.

Was thinking the same Yeti.

[Edited on 20-3-2005 by cmoss]

[Edited on 21-3-2005 by cmoss]