blipping?
 

As a lazy rider who has always had a slipper I am aware that I have relied on it with my downchanges and now i am concerned that on new bike with no slipper i might start locking the back up unless i adjust my riding.

so, about this 'blipping the throttle' how do i do it and how does it work?

...Oh god...

You'll be fine.... trust me!

:D

why don't i feel fine then... :o

Interesting discussion about the pro's and con's of this a short time ago.

But you'll be fine.

I am sure I will, but i keep hearing that i should be blipping the throttle to take account of not having a slipper. I may well be doing it, but want to understand how and why!

After weeksy saying he got it wrong and came off just wondering how big an issue it is.

You're just matching the revs with the lower gear. Because the engine will be revving higher fo a given road speed, you just give the throttle a quick 'blip' to get the revs up.

Simple sequence is clutch in, blip, clutch out. Works a treat.

The next stage is being able to use two fingers on the brake and keep a constant brake pressure going while you blip with your other fingers. Harder work but fantastic when you've cracked it

Its easy! As you start to brake pull in the clutch and change down then blip the throttle and as the revs start to fall slowly let out the clutch. You will pick it up in no time just take it easy.

HTH

Found it Lily... it's in the "Everybody Loves a Knowall" thread.
I'd link it, but this pc's dead slow and I'm going home about 2 minutes ago!

Just had a thought!!

You could try it out without the brakes and in a straight line untill you get the hang of it. Just ride along at say 50 and try to change down without the bike lurching about or slowing down too much. All you will be doing is running at higher revs in a lower gear for the same speed

Unless you're going to be riding flat out, and stomping down several gears, braking as late as possibly, I wouldn't worry about it.

You're going from a lumpy engine, with masses of engine braking to a smoother engine with far less, so the effects shouldn't be as noticeable, or at least they weren't for me

ok, this doesn't sound good!!!

my technique usually involves full throttle until braking point, hit brakes full force, clutch in whack it down a one or more, clutch out, brakes off and go

how the hell am i supposed to blip the throttle while i am full on the brakes. I may well use two finger braking, but the forward force on my arms is intense and i cant see how i could relax that enough to blip in between :o

on the road this sounds all well and good and i do do it when slowing down in a more sedate manner.

but on the track i do brake late and stomp the gears down which is why i am concerned!

Grip the tank with your knees!

Its not a massive fist full of throttle! Just a blip.

Maybe just try to be smoother untill you get the hang of it. You see people doing it on race bikes all the time and i bet they brake harder than you or me ever do.

Just let the clutch out slower. Kind of a manual slipper if you like

i am sure most people brake harder than i do, i am just struggling to see how i can blip the throttle when i am full on the brakes as i feel that i am being forced forward onto bars and not certain how i would twist it back even for a small blip.

maybe i am just being daft and it will be fine, but i know i have skipped the back end about even with the slipper and i am concerned it will be much worse.

I have not been riding that long and my skills are pretty much all self taught from just getting on the bike and riding.

same here! I think the only way is to just try stuff and take your time. I have never been on a track (yet!!) but i think that you still need to blip on the road. I even did it on my old R6 before i was t-boned and it was killed:flame:

I just use my first 2 fingers on the brakes and pinch the throttle tube with my thumb and third finger (i guess my little finger too as i have GP-Pro gloves and they are joined) The weight i do put through my hands is kind of taken in the bit of skin between my thumb and index finger. I dont really have that much weight through my hands as i read that you should still be able to flap your elbows about when you are doing it all properley.

Gripping the tank is hard for me though as when the r6 was written off my right femur was smashed and its not really that strong yet

Chill bird, you'll be fine!
Blipping is icing on the cake, it doesn't really matter if you do it or not.
When you had your slipper, how often did you notice it really work? Think about it, not very often I'll warrant. The only times mine really earns it's keep is into the hairpin at Cadwell. Any other time, as suggested by Chris, feather the clutch out. Waving the back end is more caused by weight transfer than slipper or lack of it. Lack of slipper = chatter and or rear wheel lock up. Weeksy fell off because he locked his rear wheel through changing down too many gears for his speed, he spent too much of his ten dollars trying to brake later and forgot everything else.
You can hang on under braking with your knees/thighs, you shouldn't be gripping on with your arms, it'll just tire you out anyway.
It's like anything else, start slowly and work up to speed. Once you're used to it you'll do it without thinking (spending any of your ten dollars!), and you'll be waggling your rear tyre, hanging off, braking, blipping and looking where you're going all at once! Promise ;)

You just grip the throttle as normal. Putting your forefinger and middle finger on the brake lever, leaves your other two fingers and your thumb wrapped around the throttle so you just give it a blip.

I actually find it's more like using your palm to blip it (no s******ing at the back).

The trick is to keep a constant pressure on the brake lever, when you first try it you'll squeeze the brake harder as you blip. Funnily enough it's easier when you're really hard on the brakes because then any irregular pressure is much less noticable.

Here's the thing though...you don't even need to be moving to practise. Just sit on the bike, put it in neutral, squeeze the brake and see if you can blip the throttle.

[Edited on 10-3-2005 by Jools]

hmmm

ok....

Jen, i have noticed it a few times, mostly after straights when i am in a high gear and want to know it down a few and the back end has skipped, but as you say this could be weight transfer as well.

Simillarly this is when i am braking really hard and feel like i am being thrust forward even if i try to take the pressure through legs.

I think the clutch release may be quite key to this for me rather than the actual blip as my usual technique kinda involves just releasing without much progression and I am usually spending about $15 thinking about getting off the brakes and round the corner!

I really think i should have a go on the bike before i get on track tbh even if its just to put my mind at rest and prove i am just being paranoid!

you will be fine. just take it easy:roll:

It is like anything new...just a case of practising it and getting used to it.

Funny, but I'm having the opposite problem. Ever since owning a Duke I have always 'blipped' on down changes. I do so whilst both road and track riding (whilst hard(ish) on the brakes), at whatever speed...It has just become second nature.

I now have a slipper fitted and I'm finding it really hard to trust it and just bang it down throught the gears and letting the clutch lever go!!!

I find myself still blipping out of habbit...:rolleye:

yeah..... sadly i am not known for my 'taking it easy'

not saying I am fast - far from it, but have been known to be quite.... 'enthusiastic' on my bike :D

Ive done this on every bike i have owned, jap fours included. To be honest i dont see how you can ride a bike smoothly and not do it. I can change down through the box without the clutch just as smoothy so the rate you let the cltuch lever out has nothing to do with it. I also blip on downchanges in the car, so much smoother. If you drive/ride with a passenger you should watch their head as you are driving. If they are being flung backwards and forwards or on a bike if the passenger is nutting you the whole time then you are doing it wrong.

Practice it. Its one of those things that turns an ordinary rider/driver in to a good rider/driver.

I was watching a Fireblade two up pull away from the lights last night, he was going for it and everytime he changed gear the passenger nutted him. That wrong, you should at least be able to change up the box and hardly feel it though the bike, especially with clutchless changes you should just get a steady, seamless flow of power.

I've never ridden a bike with a slipper clutch but i get the impression that for quite a lot of people they just help to cover up poor gearchanging.

Just a thought but have you any strong reason for not fitting a slipper to this bike, it sounds as though the thought of using the ordinary clutch is giving you serious concern ?

you've either got it or you ain't -- blipping is summat that comes naturally with experience and neccesity, you'll get the hang of it when the need arises!!!!:smug: