749 Exhausts
 

Hi all, Im looking to get a new exhaust for my 749 Dark BP but Im unsure which one to get. Id like a bhp increase in the process (well, who wouldnt) so I know the Termi would be good.
Anyone had any experience with other road legal ones? I think theres Remus, Acropovic, MIVV.

Can you get away with race cans on the road or are they far too loud?

ive attached a pic of the Mivv one I was looking at, anyone seen or heard these before?

:saint:I got a termi assy system at xmas for £685 new from a duke dealer through ebay.Otherwise your looking at about £1150 rrp.According to Performance Bikes their long term 749s only got a 1bhp increase,so its not worth it on the power front.It does sound bloody great though,and from what i gather it depends where you are in the uk as to how the police look at it.I had a race system on my KTM 640 for 2 years and never got pulled,and that was much louder.As for the pipe in your attachment,no thanks,it's trying too hard.:saint:

The Mivv looks to Triumph.

What about Leo Vince???????

I know it looks a bit dodgy, Id love to see one in the flesh just to know how the lines are, and the sound...

Leo Vince one looks cool, bit pricey though Id imagine.

Block42, if I could get one for that price Id definately buy a termi. Dont suppose you remember where you got it for that price?

Whats the difference in the termi systems anyway, never quite understood the whole 52mm thingy?

:saint:Bridge motorcycles,they had a few bits including a full race for £800 i think.It was all sold on ebay.As for the difference between the exhausts,i think it's to do with how quickly they get rid off the exhaust gasses i.e.the bigger the better.Plus,i fairly sur it would be louder.If looking on ebay,don't just type in ducati 749,use lots of combinations and don't discount stuff in europe from your search.

Cheers mate, will do :D:D

Did you wash your ears out before riding with us yesterday ??? the culmative racket we made was with at least 4 50mm systems on full chat and Webbys S4R ...... lol .... :lol:

I know! It does sound evil, but not sure which ones are race and which ones are road legal. Is yours a race system??

Also, casoli do some http://www.casoli.co.uk/start.htm

Anyone heard these?

... Just checked out the range, what would you recommended, the assymetric system, or full system (50, 54 or 57 bore?)?

[Edited on 4-4-2005 by sonic]

Just spoke to Pro Twins about the termis etc, they say they have a second hand one coming in for sale at around 700 quid. I mentioned the chip and he said it isnt necessary:
"In most cases we run them without the chip, it makes them run richer anyway and we just stick power commanders on them"... basically saying you dont need to fit the chip.

He has the leo vince exhausts in there too, they dont need chips (although a power commander would be a good idea anyway) so Im gonna pop down this week and check out the systems.

Tell the truth I am still a bit confused over that statement he made. I thought the whole point was the ECU to 'setup' the fuelling etc so it matched with the dynamics of the system. Surely it would sod up the fuelling if it didnt get adjusted.
You reckon hes just trying to sell it and then blag a power commander on top? If so... 700+ quid seems a lot for a second hand exhaust when you throw in a power commander on top!:o

(oh, and about the MIVV exhaust attachment: I was just looking for something a little different, every one seems to have termis and thought they look nice on the MV Augusta (not the same but similar) but yet to find anyone that thinks they look anything but crap really... )

[Edited on 4-4-2005 by sonic]

(sorry to confuse, if I did .. just posted this as Strachs having signed wifey up on the board ... deleted and reposted now)

Hmmm ... Termi race can with no chip? As far as I know, if you want the power increase then you want the remapping to match it. In the case of the 749 it is an ECU change rather than just the chip. I reckon my Termi system made quite a difference to the low/mid-range performance. Woke it up rather nicely. It is loud, but I have pulled alongside a copper in traffic and just left it chugging away on tick over and he didn't take any notice. And that is in Lincolnshire where they have a bit of a reputation I beleive. It is only REALLY loud when you give it some welly, and if you do that in town or when passing an "officer of the law" then you are asking for it. Also, no petition from my elderly and grumpy neighbours yet either, although they might be busy compiling one now!

As for the attachment above, not to my taste. I know when the 749/999 first came out (almost) everyone was bitching about the big box instead of the twin cans of the 748/9xx, but I like the lines and would prefer to have a replacement system that keeps that "unique" look.

[Edited on 4-4-2005 by HW]

Sonic,as it happens i have a Casoli - marlin system for sale for about £350,their easy to fit and can confirm the bike ran well without a chip or pc. If interested u2u me.

Sonic my 04 749S is currently away at Ducati Leeds.

There is quite a sag attached to it and the correct ECU / Chip being fitted. Some dealers have fitted 03 Termi's to 04 bikes and had problems.

It should if Ducati UK keep there word be back on Friday.

I am about 5 mins up the road from Pro Twins so if you want to pop round and see it in the flesh just ask or even want the low down on all the issues I encountered from dealers and the fitting of exhausts etc. I am at home most of this week so drop us a U2U if you need anything.

Excellent, cheers mate, I will do;);)

I meant :):) (looks a bit dodgy with the winking going on, sorry) haha

The standard system on a 749/999 is an asymetrical system with the pipes being differnt diameters and different lenghts. These have two catalytic converters one for each cylinder.

The asymetrical termi still has pipes with different lengths and diameters, but the catalysts have been removed. These have the ducati sound, but only give a small (if any) power gain. They comes with a new ECU to remap the fueling
Notes these do not fit on 749R's. They do save a lot of weight

Next up are full termis. These replace the end can and all the pipework, they provide a bigger power gain. They comes in various sizes up to 57mm. They also comes with new ECU's to remap the fueling.

I have heard that once the new ECU has been fitted to a bike it can not be used in another bike (I can not confirm this, but if I was buying a used termi I would check)

So why are people using power commanders.
If the ECU can not be moved to a new bike, then a new ECU would be needed (about £700). A power commander can be used instead and it is only £300. Also termi's are the only pipes that come with the new ECU, so if you fit a Leo Vinco you will need a Power Commnder.

Also the new ECU is not adjustable, so if you want to get a perfect mapping or you have any other tuning mods then you will need a power commander and some dyno time

Also differnt years and models have different swinging arms, make sure the pipe will fit with the swing arm as they need to be different

AFAIK the only system that is road legal is the original system

Hope that helps

wow. Brilliant, cheers for that matey!:eureka::eureka::eureka:

The immobiliser system works so that ONCE the bikes key has been used to start the bike the ECU will ONLY recognise that key...............its a security measure but means that ECU's cannot be interchanged once they have been used on a particular bike.

Yea actually heard that too, mentioned something about having the Red key to the bike...

Have you got a piccie with the system fitted?

Been thinking about the Leo Vince system, if I get a power commander fitted it will need a Dyno to set up properly yea? Is there one anyone would recommend in the West Sussex area?

MotoRapido ... DSC dyno boys to the well informed .... let Steve or Wilf know you are DSC.

http://www.motorapido.co.uk/

ECU Re-programming
 

Just spoke to a chap at Ducati Aylesbury (not Steve, the other one) and he says you can re-programme the ECU... make of that what you will.

I asked, as I'm probably buying a 749 off them which has a system on which I don't want, which I'll sell.

J

:saint:CMW chichester,main dealer,fitted my datatool.Very professional,but without making you feel like an idiot.The mechanic showed me a 999r having a titanium Leo vinci being fitted.Better than porn.:saint:

They also do their own exhaust system that they developed on last years race bikes with Kenny Whatmore. More power than Termi's and the road one comes with replacement plate hanger etc.

What does that look like? How much?

Leo Vince systems look and sound amazing.....and so is the price!:(
£1500 for the can,and £2700 for the system!:o:o:o

And worth every penny!

Tell me about it, add the power commander on top of that too!

How about one 'a these...

http://www.motostrano-store.com/du749999ex.html

Quite cheap too really, never seen one on a UK bike...

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by sonic]

It's not my cup of tea sonic, but each to their own. IMHO, it just doesn't look like it fits properly.

Have you had a look at this 'race slip-on' can (top right of page):-

http://www.ducati9.net/pages/perform...ust+sys tems#

i've got one of those baby's fitted to my 999S what a luverley sound they make, and worth every penny:D

Do you run it with PCIII? If so, was it setup on a dyno?

Does it make any difference (other than more noise) to riding it?

Does it slope upwards at the back or is it quite parallel to the ground (like the WSB one)?

Ducati Aylesbury have a 749 with that can on. Not sure myself. Think the 749 with that on is trying to be a 748 just IMO

Wylie1,

It's a wsb replica can parallel to the ground , it sticks out a lot more than the standard can, but I think it looks unusual.

No need for pc111 I just had the fuel remapped, and I do believe the is more power at the lower end:)

Apologies for all the questions, but how do you get the fuel remapped without a PC?

Have you got any piccies of your bike with it fitted?

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by Wylie1]

I've got one on my 749 and have had it dyno'ed before and after. The over all top end power increase isnt any better but the power is moved a lot lower down. Example at 50mph the bike is nearly 10hp up.
Im not running a Power commander or new ECU just had the CO2 levels tweaked. Also still running on one cat, but planning to have that removed.

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by trickz]

neilkeogh - Thats a nice one, looks like the Leo Vince slipon. I like the twin cans, but as most people say, they do look very 916 series, but then again, I like that look too, although the shape of the 999 series does lend itself to a more bulky backbox.
By far the most attractive Ive seen (IMHO) is the Leo Vince. But, unless Im thinking of re-mortgaging the house and whoring out the girlfriend, I dont think Ill be buying it any time soon... So that ducati9 item might be a nice alternative.
Like Wylie said, you have any piccies of that one??

Sonic....any piccies of the girlfriend?? :devil::devil:

The Leo Vinci one is a nice bit of kit :lol::lol::lol:

Sure Wylie... here you go.

I take Visa, Mastercard and American Express. No paypal Im afraid.

Just cause your a mate, Ill let ya have a go for a fiver. But your getting a great deal.

Sonic, mate.....I can't help feeling your 749 will be in a museum somewhere by the time you've got enough funds for the Leo Vinci :frog::lol::lol: