Scaring the sliders
 

This must be the closest I have ever gotten to getting my knee down - my sliders must be getting scared!

TP - Scaring the sliders

Aptly put my Dickie on raceday "As fast as you're going you're still not getting your knee down are you"

Err thanks Dickie, like I needed reminding. A 50.8 lap around the Woodlands, heaps of 51 second laps and still no knee down!

:(

Wat you doing this sunday?:lol::lol::lol:

Get your **** off the seat and you soon will!!!!;)

It is! It's just a bit bigger than yours so there's plenty left over ;)

Edited to add - but you're right Tim, I need to get right off.

[Edited on 3-5-2005 by TP]

keep it like that, TP.... the extra knee-down friction will slow you down! :frog:

Purchase thicker sliders?

tony, i'll swap you my worn out sliders for your extra 4mph round the circuit anyday. it really isnt big or clever.

TP, if you don't get your bum off the seat, your in danger of doing what I did at rocky. My foot touched down first and got pulled offf the peg, followed by my leg, my ar$e, my body.:(

[Edited on 3-5-2005 by Jon]

what can we see here
 

1/More corner speed
2/Knee being used as reference point
3/Foot rolled on too the end of the peg not on it
4/Toe is also feeling for the black stuff for more control
5/Right hand shoulder and hip is further forward driving in to the turn.

But he is big and clever?
:lol::lol::lol:

I know what you mean, I was scraping my boot and certain times around the Old Hairpin and Barn. I am getting off the seat just not enough, I need to work on that.

My body position was better in Spain I guess it kind of went out the window under race conditions - not enough of a habit yet.

He is certainly fast.

The points you raise are the main ones I was thinking about when I was saying above that my body position was worse than Spain. Have a look at my avatar and compare it to the pic. My avatar was in Spain.

More work required ...

This is how to get your body off the bike... :lol:

http://horrible.demon.co.uk/050425_s...s/FE1_4283.jpg

and this is how the big boys do it...

http://horrible.demon.co.uk/050425_s...s/FE1_3523.jpg

Mate I am old and crap and a racer is going to come along and pull this to bits but.
You can carry more corner speed you have your knee out but the bike has got to come down to it.
If you hang off more you will be uncomfortable and you will be slower, Just dip the old shoulder in there a bit more and dive in a bit harder.
only my opinion but you don’t have to be a great rider to give advice.
You I think is gona be up there giving it to um.

;)

Posing git :lol::lol:

Haven't we been here once before.

How do you mean Jon?

:puzzled:

Some time back TP. aws put a post on about body positon and what you can tell by pictures. It caused a right load of differing opinons. In the end it's what ever suites you as an individual. As far has corner speed goes TP. You where carrying plenty, you wouldn't have done the times you did if you were not.

Knee down != Faster

Ahh yes, I remember that thread.

I remember that turning turning into a bit of a posers thread, which was not my intention at all, and I was fishing either. I know you didn't mean that I was though.

I was just having a giggle at the fact that I still haven't managed to get my knee down - especially seeing as some people seem to do it with ease. But I'll be working on my body position because I know if I get that right I can afford to keep the bike upright a bit more for the same cornerspeed I have now, and get a little more.

It's neverending ...

I'm really biting my tongue here - HARD!

Bit it harder, lardy boy.

PS. Wanna buy some scuffed sliders? :frog:

:lol:

Are they worth the 16 seconds I whooped your a$$ by?

:lol:

MMMIIIIAAAAOOOOWWWW!!!

Sorry, my teeth went clear through my tongue!

Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!.
No knee down doesn't mean faster unless you are talking craner curves and up through to McCleans.

Staying tighter into a turn ( incorrect line) would also enable you to get your knee down.

OK then were is TP gona make up the time then? Jon says your not aloud to go round the turns faster so you will have to do it on the brakes or your exit speed cos the bikes are all much of a muchness.
how did Geoff do it? take a look at the little pic I posted before of Geoff
at the same turn and look at the end of his handel bar.
You will have to look at the full one not the biddy one.:saint:

Your missing the pont Eric. There was nothing wrong with TP's corner speed. All I am saying is. Is that you don't need mega amounts of c/speed to get your knee down on tight corners. Long sweepers yes!

I don't think that's what Jon means Eric. I know I could get round the corners quicker with better body position - that doesn't necessarily mean knee down but that may come as a by-product.

I'm not sure I can make many improvements on the brakes - I was super hard and could overtake pretty much everyone (except Ali who got me) on the brakes. Perhaps with more progressive braking? Don't know, need to work more on that perhaps.

I also know that I could have gone harder through the left hander and right hander between the hairpin at the start finish straight and up the mountain. I made a few mistakes there and backed off a little bit to make sure I could get it right. I didn't think anyone would be able to overtake me there and as I had good speed into hall bends I didn't think it would translate into a pass there. So, I could make time there as well. Also the hairpin itself, I couldn't get a decent line through there and ended up going in tight and hard on the brakes all the time, turning it and trying to get it straight back up so I could get decent drive out.

I think changing my gearing probably would have made the biggest difference - I was running the standard road gearing (I think - I didn't even check). But I wanted to concentrate on me more, not the bike. The bike is very good, I just needed to try and catch up to it.

Getting your knee down seemed to make no difference last weekend. I used my knees on every single corner and was still slower than you, but I feel a lot more comfortable doing it as it gives me a clear indication of lean angle.

It does, however, have it's own problems. Coming into the right at the bottom of the mountain, and the old hairpin, I had to lift my right knee a long way off the ground to stop it smacking the kerb. Several times my concentration slipped for a split-second forcing me to adjust my line and roll off the gas.

Personally I think you'll go quicker once you're comfortable doing it, but you're quick enough as it is so feel free to stay upright for as long as you like!

Cheers,

Ali

Nah, that'll be the extra 10bhp of your 618i !!!

:frog:

PS. Where are you in the Championship at the moment?

:frog: :frog:

TP and Jon

What I did when I looked at this shot of you TP was to take the shot of Geoff and place them side by side on my desktop. I compared the Two shots and came to the conclusion that Geoff is carrying more speed at that point in time therefor he is creating more lean angle and his knee is on the deck. I really can’t see anything else that you could do to improve at that section in to the mountain.
Jon do you think he is in there with more commitment?

Also getting your knee down will instil a confidence in your cornering that must help you.
When I watched the fast boys through Hall bends they were decked out though the left and then the right up over the top they had there knees wedged between the fairing and the track scary stuff

Your right not mega amounts more I just think looking at Geoff in the same place he is carrying more speed and it would be a place for TP to look for some time.
Not just to get his knee down. Looking at TP's pic and the fact you could only slip a Rizla in between his slider and the track it is only a mater of time before he will hit down.
its more the lean angle that I could see in the pic's

I judge lean angle by looking at the wheel in relation to the ground. Knee's don't tell the story because everyone's body position is different.

It's my body position that needs a lot of work.

Ant, those excuses aren't going to help you stay ahead in the championship buddy ;)

Let me have my moment, ok?

:lol:

The floor is yours my good friend - enjoy :D

[quote]Originally posted by TP
I judge lean angle by looking at the wheel in relation to the ground. Knee's don't tell the story because everyone's body position is different.

It's my body position that needs a lot of work.

I looked at all the pic 's of the ridders at that point
and I look at the handle bar end for the lean
you could get your ass off a bit more but look at all the pics
coz you can over do it :lol::lol::lol:

[Edited on 4-5-2005 by phoenix n max]

waahhhhaaayyyyy!

That attachment/pic doesn't work......

Ade.

I'll get me coat. Sorry, working fine now.

I don't get my knee down very often. I've done it four times now and, yes, two of those times my arse and elbow followed 'cos I'd lobbed it. The other two times were the merest graze around that 90 degree right hander at the bottom of the dip round the back of Rockingham national. The first time it happened I thought "Jeez...what was that" and sat the bike up again.

My mate KeefyB told me a story about an aquaintance of his who said "I don't get my knee down, but I go past plenty of people who do" I like to think that applies to me as well.

With laps in the 50's I think that applies to you as well. If I was you I wouldn't force it. After a few races, you'll just be going that little bit faster, carrying just a little more lean angle or hanging off an inch more and it will happen.