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Twinfan 27-May-2005 12:56

Any more 749/999 brake problems???
 
Well it looks like Brogins may have a similar problem to mine. See his "front wheel" thread:

http://217.199.188.40/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=20203

This is the first 999 to be affected, and it's a new 2005 bike. If it's the same problem, that has to be a bit of a worry. Current list is:

Twinfan - 2004 749S - registered May 2004
Spartacus - 2004 749 - registered May 2004
Necroscope - 2004 749 Dark - registered April 2004
Brogins - 2005 999 - registered March 2005

All four bikes have had brakes that seem to "stick on", and Brogins was very lucky as he was on track the day he noticed it :o

Is there anyone else who's had problems? How many more don't we know about???

Ducnow 27-May-2005 13:26

Have you posted about this problem in other Ducati forums?
If not, i think you should do it.
That would put more pressure on Ducati and maybe then they will solve your problem faster.

Twinfan 27-May-2005 14:58

It's not just my problem I want Ducati to solve - I want them to make sure no-one else gets injured, or worse.

JPM 27-May-2005 15:02

What brake set-up is Brogins using? does he have a radial setup or standard like yours?

Twinfan 27-May-2005 15:19

Good point JPM - looks like it's an '05 R or S with radials. Maybe it's a different problem?

Twinfan 27-May-2005 15:25

It's an '04R. I wonder when it was assembled. Before May 2004 maybe???

Ducnow 27-May-2005 15:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Twinfan
It's an '04R. I wonder when it was assembled. Before May 2004 maybe???

:o Oh my..... just like mine :o

Ducnow 27-May-2005 15:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Twinfan
It's not just my problem I want Ducati to solve - I want them to make sure no-one else gets injured, or worse.

Sure, i know that. ;)

Twinfan 27-May-2005 16:25

Quote:

Oh my..... just like mine

We're talking about YOUR bike Brogins!!!! I wonder when it was built?

marko 27-May-2005 21:35

I've watched this post with interest, I have a 04 749 reg in may last year, it has suffered from viberation since new when braking but only the last 20mph and only in the dry. The dealer i brought the bike from (Itaila Moto in Lincoln)has been great and after looking at the bike it will be getting new Discs.The old ones are warped.
BTW my bike has done 5000+ miles and the brakes have never stuck on but never been quite right.:puzzled:

Brogins 27-May-2005 22:02

Sorry Guys I was not online for a while.
My 999 is a std 999 2005..not S or R.
This morning I called Daytona and they told me is the first time they are advised of this kind of problem, especially on new bikes. They didn't give me any indication on the phone as the best thing to do was to bring the bike in. On the phone they indicated that can just be dirt in the calipers (???) . I have provisionaly scheduled the service in a week time, but I am keen to take everything down and check by myself.
I just cleaned the bike tonight and I may pop tomorrow to a Duc dealer (the closer I have is in Reading.. I think Pegasus..dou you guys know if is OK??) ..or I am taking the caliper down and the pads.. As with this weather is a shame to have the bike in the garage (still I agree twinfan that is not the case to use it if I don't get a solution to this issue..) . I am still thinking is not that serious..but it is really odd. Again, I am sure at this point that the noise and the difficulty in turning the front wheel on the stand is coming from the brake pads that are touching the discs, not the bearings...

Twinfan 28-May-2005 11:43

I agree with your diagnosis Brogins, I think the pads/callipers are at fault. Let us know how you get on!

Brogins 28-May-2005 21:56

Took everything down today - wheel, shims, calipers, pads....
Cleaned everything well, and the calipers yes were full of crap.
Reassembled everything right using the right procedure and the right torque values.
Well, the bearings are definetly fine.
The Pads are still with life left.
The brakes are working properly, but still after everything was cleaned, greased and properly reassembled, the pads are sticking a little bit on the discs. Now is better that the other day and I guess a little bit the pads/discs are touching anyway ... Of course with no calipers the wheel is turning like a bycycle wheel, perfect, but with calipers and pads on is a different story.... Just for curiousity, with the bike on the front stand, with one hand spin no big effort, how many revolution can the wheel do?

[Edited on 28-5-2005 by Brogins]

Twinfan 30-May-2005 21:31

It should do at least 5 I think, if not more?

andyb 30-May-2005 21:56

I dont think so, I think the light drag from the pads will stop it before one!

Gizmo 30-May-2005 23:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Twinfan
It should do at least 5 I think, if not more?

on my 999 I can count to about 5 seconds before it stops.

Gizmo 30-May-2005 23:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Mine has developed a shudder recently, we got the front wheel up today and think we have found the problem, left fork 2 rings showing, right leg 3 rings showing, eeeek, how can that happen ??


Beeb thinkiking about this, it'll affect the springs inside fork, they'll be unequal tensions, the sliders will self adjust to keep axle in line. If you ever bottomed them one side would take all of load before the other. Even so it need sorting and might as well clean calipers and discs while we are on and try and find whats hppening with the shudder, my best guess would be warped discs. it'll be worth dropping brake fluid out as well its meant to be done every 2 years even if not used.

Ducnow 30-May-2005 23:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Mine has developed a shudder recently, we got the front wheel up today and think we have found the problem, left fork 2 rings showing, right leg 3 rings showing, eeeek, how can that happen ??

:o You mean two lines for left fork and 3 lines for right fork above the triple clamp?

Gizmo 31-May-2005 09:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Ducnow
Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Mine has developed a shudder recently, we got the front wheel up today and think we have found the problem, left fork 2 rings showing, right leg 3 rings showing, eeeek, how can that happen ??

:o You mean two lines for left fork and 3 lines for right fork above the triple clamp?

yes, exactly that, DCR has never altered it so its been like that since build and pdi. :(

Ducnow 31-May-2005 11:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Gizmo
Quote:

Originally posted by Ducnow
Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Mine has developed a shudder recently, we got the front wheel up today and think we have found the problem, left fork 2 rings showing, right leg 3 rings showing, eeeek, how can that happen ??

:o You mean two lines for left fork and 3 lines for right fork above the triple clamp?

yes, exactly that, DCR has never altered it so its been like that since build and pdi. :(

Oh my..... the bike and especially the front end should feel like crap, huh?
Dseered, when did you found out about that? HFor how long have you rode the bike like that? Is is solved now?

****, i still can't beleive this :o

[Edited on 31-5-2005 by Ducnow]

khu996 31-May-2005 17:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
Mine has developed a shudder recently, we got the front wheel up today and think we have found the problem, left fork 2 rings showing, right leg 3 rings showing, eeeek, how can that happen ??

That is unbelievable! WTF!!! :flame:
With the original problems you had with the bike possibly being 03MY and now this? Your dealer has rather a lot to answer for...

JPM 31-May-2005 17:18

Surely the wheel will be slightly at an angle, which would mean it should be easier to turn into either a left or right turn, and harder to turn the opposite way?

JPM 31-May-2005 17:33

Now I'm trying to work out the physics of counter steering and wheel alignment, my head hurts! Saying that I am the same as you in preferring left handers, Andy Ibbot told me that this is probably due to the UK roads and being cambered.

Gizmo 31-May-2005 18:21

it makes no difference to wheel/axle or ride - the springs compensate one being compressed by a bit more than the other, it'll only make a difference at full compression where one bump stop works first or full extension where one tops out before other. Needs levelling up and checking out though.

Sorted a ride height gauge for rear now DCR, can drop your rear adjustor rod out, clean, set-up and refit in no time.

JPM 31-May-2005 18:25

Gizmo, you're right obviously, I was thinking along the lines of static forks, obviously one leg will be extended/compressed more than the other.... d'oh! :rolleye:

I guess it will only make a difference under hard braking and bottoming out etc

Gizmo 31-May-2005 18:45

Quote:

Originally posted by JPM
Gizmo, you're right obviously, I was thinking along the lines of static forks, obviously one leg will be extended/compressed more than the other.... d'oh! :rolleye:

I guess it will only make a difference under hard braking and bottoming out etc

it'l alter preload slightly as one leg is compressed more, but as we've yet to check the preload adjustors they might be out as well..........

Ducnow 31-May-2005 22:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Dseered
:roll::roll::roll: Its gonna be like a new bike all over again

Hahahahahahaha, yeah i though about that.
I was like....... "Dseered must have felt he had a new and much better handling bike after he fixed that" :D

Good for you :)


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