748S and 748R. What\'s the difference?
 

Aside from Marchesini wheels, what is the difference between the post-2000 S and R models? A quick look at the MCN site didn't help, they had no info on the S.
Also, what extras came with these models; pipes, chips, etc.

Cheers
;)

Bit of a guess this but I think that the 748R came with slightly more BHP (presumably from a different engine management system), carbon fibre airbox, ohlins suspension, monopost, road and race cans, race chip, rear stand in colour of frame, bike cover, slipper clutch.

There might be some other things I've forgotten, oh yes, they cost more and need the belts changing annually rather than bi-annually on the S

Apologies if any of this is wrong ;)

(PS. I also think that the paint might be different - I have been told there is a standard red and an anniversary red (?) and although they don't look different, it becomes very obvious when you use the wrong colour touch-up!)

The latest R's use a wider Cam belt, i don't know if the s does but i doubt it.
Ti con rods, different primary gearing, shower injectors, huge air box.

Blimey, never knew about those bits...


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I had a 748S and upgraded to a 748R 2002 model and the difference is vast.....its an absolute weapon and a dream to own..if u r deciding between the S and the R then go for the R u will not regret it.....but note its a focused machine not a lazy ride to soak up the miles.........

Phil

cheers
 

Thanks for all the feedback. Much appreciated.
The R sounds great but I'm a bit intimidated by the annual services! Owning a Duke is pricey enough. Gonna think hard....

FIL2 - take it that's you on your beloved R?
:D

[quote]Originally posted by gunforhire
Thanks for all the feedback. Much appreciated.
The R sounds great but I'm a bit intimidated by the annual services! Owning a Duke is pricey enough. Gonna think hard....

FIL2 - take it that's you on your beloved R?
:D



lol...no thats the 600ss race bike dude........the annual service is not as bad as you think..just to get the belts changed is quite reasonable..its the 2 year 12k full service that is the BIG one and part of the warranty clause. Saying that i had my full service done for 350 quid which is a superb price....belts i think are in the order of 150 -200 quid ...so not bad.
It is worth it.... on track they are awesome an alomost perfect balance of power and handling........

If u r local u could take mine out and see what you think.?

Phil

[Edited on 1-6-2005 by fil2]

Just done Nurburg on my 748R and the only thing that caused problems was the tank bag pushing me into the wind blast, limiting me to about 120. My knees go a bit stiff on long runs but other than that the Duke is as comfy as anything else I've ridden. About 1,100 miles in all, from home there, and back.

Just has a full service at Riverside Ducati in Northampton (they have been mentioned somewhere in an earlier thread) which was about £450 I think, so not too bad considering.

Don't be put of by fears of it being difficult to ride or too powerful - this can be said for any bike if ridden with a quick wrist!

The only thing I need to do now is learn to ride the tw@t! :lol:


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[Edited on 1-6-2005 by L3OONY]

No need to be intimidated by the servicing costs of the R, there won't be any difference between the R and the standard bike on that one! :)

Aside from that, agree with Fil to the hilt, there's a world of difference between the two, the R being a fair bit faster and has better suspension and stuff. And looks cooler :cool:

[Edited on 1-6-2005 by desmojen]

I think service costs will be the same as Jen has said, the only difference as stated above is that the belts need changing annually or every six thousand miles rather than 24 months/12,000 miles like other models.

hey mate - looks like you are my double same location/bike etc - spooky. my 2p-worth, am on my second 748E and have tried the 748R - it is the BEST, if you like 748's then it is really the top dog and i am still tempted to get one, in my case i use my bike everyday to commute, pick wife up from work, weekend trips, meetings out of london etc etc and the 748R is a perfect "sports" bike (track/weekends) but day-in/day-out....not to sure i could subject it to that abuse- however i have just bought another bike(for commuting) so i might change.

:lol::lol::lol:
pretty much the same boat, yeah!
I'm in Highgate.
Sold the 748E - wasn't fast enough, and a R6 setup for Roadstock (wasn't a twin!).


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don't you get ohlins at both ends with the R as well?

Yep! should get an Ohlins damper to if the factory has them in :rolleye:

Depends what year you get, my 2000 model had no Ohlins at all, but to be honest, it doesn't need it.
I changed the rear to a race spec Ohlins last year (not oe stuff) and whilst the difference was noticeable it was not earth shattering. The forks are also Showa with Tin stanchions and are superb. I have fitted Ohlins springs as the originals were too firm, and I have to say the forks are excellent, I certainly won't be rushing out to buy Ohlins replacements!

[Edited on 1-6-2005 by desmojen]

I have a 02 748R (748S before) and I LOVE it, being quite light and + 3 teeth on the rear sprocket, it absolutely flies and you can use 99 % of the power on the road, they love to rev. :) :) :)

mmmm....

all these ex-S owners now with R's!
Gaz, was your S one of the pre-2000 models? Just trying to understand why so many would have left 'em. :D

It was a 97 one of the first single seat S models, a good bike ( my mate bought it, still running well ) but the R is that much better, the engine spins up a lot better, it has a FIM chip fitted and runs very well, slight flat spot about 3,000 rpm but it runs well low down then takes off at 6,000 all the way to 10,000 + :D :D :D

A few more differences:
- Thinner walled CrMo frame with space for deeper airbox
- A bit lighter wheels.
- Shower injection
- Lighter crankshaft
- Lighter flywheel
- Different heads with larger valves 36mm/30mm and R-cams
- Higher compression pistons

Same computer though 1.6.

...and the best bit of all?

It says "748R" on the side!

Worth an extra 10 bhp all day long!

Having ridden the s and the r (2002 models) the r is in a class of its own.

gunforhire,

Mate, if you're worried about the power considering you seem to be a guy who would use it on the track I wouldn't worry. You can get yourself into trouble on anything if you're hamfisted enough.

My Desmo Due bike has 62 rwbhp and I had a trip on the grass whilst sitting on the tank on the outside of Druids at Brands last Wednesday because I nearly highsided myself. If you're keen, and pushing it, you can get yourself into trouble on anything I reckon.

Get the R and be done with it - you know you want it.

:D
Cheers!
Budget, budget, budget... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Gonna need to be an Ebay jobbie, tidyness not a problem as I'm gonna have to chain it up outside! Infact, something that's been down the road would be preferable; keep the tea-leafs away! I'm more into the mechanics than the appearance. :D

After racing an R6 in Roadstocks last year, the 748E I had was great to ride but the power just really disappointed me. Would still rather ride a twin than a 4 though!

Had been looking at a 1998 SPS but the guy sold it out from under me; had the cash and everything!
http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/xm...ge=4#pid184226

[Edited on 2-6-2005 by gunforhire]

OK -
got a bloke with a 2000 748R.
But it's minus Ohlins (rear or damper), also doesn't have road and race cans or chips, no stand and no cover.
He's trying to say these only got shipped with the 2002 model onwards.
I thought the 1999 R was the update to the 1998 SPS - and it did come with all the extra bits, so surely the early R's should as well? No?
:puzzled:

How much do you want to spend?