996 vs 853 converted 748
 

I've got a 748 but want a bit more power was thinking of either trading upto a 996 or fit an 853 kit to my current bike. what do people recon...?

Does the 853 make a huge difference to the 748 and how does it compare to a 996....?

Dude, check out Neil Spalding's article on the Sigma website - http://www.sigmaperformance.com/748-853.html

See what you think. It's one of Neil's favourite bikes.

You'll get better resale out of a 996 if that's important to you.

Nelly at Cornerspeed also does a kit that is quality and cost effective........

Give Nelly a call and have a chat you will find him most helpfull

Phil

http://www.cornerspeed.co.uk/pages/services.html

[Edited on 12-7-2005 by fil2]

When was the last time Nelly had that much space in his workshop? :lol:

I am a little worried about resale as I know the conversion won't add any value to the bike.

If that is a concern I would seriously consider getting a 996 instead.

Oh and I just happen to have one for sale that's had this done --> http://www.sigmaperformance.com/ducati996bipracer.html

:lol: :lol:

I have someone interested and they have first refusal but if you're interested let me know.

TP

[Edited on 12-7-2005 by TP]

Had these thoughts myself whilst mine was stripped down in feb, and decided against the 853 in the end because of the resale side of things.

When I get to the point of needing (as opposed to wanting) more power, I'll go for the 996R/998R option. Although, if one comes along at the right time and price either

916SP3 (955cc)
or
916SPS (996cc)

would do nicely.

But....whilst in MotoRapido on Friday, Steve did tell me how much it would cost to put a 999 engine in my chassis, and it was cheaper than the work I'd had done in feb, but about twice the cost of an 853.

A friend of mine had a sigma conversion on his 748 and it made 106 bhp, not bad but not really 996 territory.
If you have a 748R it would be much closer and a real hoot to ride I expect, but if resale value worries you then I'd plump for the bigger bike.

It's not far off it though Jen. A standard 996 is only around 110 - 112 or so.

[Edited on 12-7-2005 by TP]

True TP, true, I must admit I thought they were a bit more than that.
There's not really any advantage over a good 748R there is there? AJ was saying to me that he got nearly 130 bhp out of an 853R, that would be tres cool I reckon! :sing:

:D

Well now..............

I had my 748 converted to an 853 by Neil at Sigma. I do not regret it one bit. It is an absolute hoot to ride on twisty or fast sweeping roads. You know, the ones that are good fun to ride, I suppose ones that the Ducati 916 was designed to ride on ( Tracks included)

I have the power of a good 916 and have the revy nature of my 748 still, with the higher red line.
On the engine and fairing it stills states 748, so good for the insurance!!!!!!!!

Plus its a good stealth bike. You should get a look at peoples faces when they see whats on the side of the fairing. :P After you have introduced them to Termi power!!
My bike will give any modern/new jap 600 a blast for the money.
in fact, now I have the chassis sort of sussed with Maxton forks and Ohlins rear. I have to say that the bike is pretty awsome to ride. Enough power to go plenty quick on the road, and hold its own.

But I do not intend to sell my bike. So you could say its a ongoing project. I would love to wack a 996 lump in and enjoy the extra footpounds of torque but I reckon I would have no trouble in staying with a 996.

At the end of the day, If you are chasing horsepower then get a ZX10r or DUC 999. Me Im staying with my little 853.
Then again, for a stealth bike, just put a 748 sticker on a 998!!

DC.;):devil:

If you are worried about resale value go for a 996,if your going to keep the bike theres only one choice 890!
123/130 BHP AND MORE TORQUE THAN A 998r .
Butch

bring it out any time mate.
:D
everyone is talking about how much power you can get out of a 853 but remember that once at that limit you are at the end of the road.
if you have a 996 lump you still have all the possibilities that were available to the 748 engine.
so a 996 with big bore tuned heads cams timed and so on will still be more than a 853 will put out.
that's the rote I took. 118HP with just a chip and pipes. and when the winter comes round (project time) watch out.

I agree mate, awesome to ride, but best you don't admit to how much it's cost you eh??;)
And then the old bugger went and got a baby 'R' as well-complete with full race kit and 138 RWBHP-and that is REALLY awesome to ride.

John

But imagine the results of me spending the same amount of money tuning my 998R as you have on the 890?

Quite frankly it scares me - I'd be too scared to ever open the throttle!

As others have either stated or implied, converted bikes are only for those with very deep pockets. You will not recoup any of your investment at resale time, assuming you can sell at all.

If cash is an issue (like most of us !) stick to standard, in this case the 996. You will hardly be disappointed !

Thing with Nellys conversion is that its fully reversable should you not want to seel it as an 853.

After reading all your comments I think the 996 is the way to go.

An excellent choice sir.

Not wanting to seem like the pushy salesman but can I take this opportunity to remind you that I'm selling mine? No, ok I'll shutup.

The emphasis on moving the 996 has hit home after bringing home it's replacement last night and subsequently speaking to the insurance company's ...

:(

Whatever floats ya boat.

Some like to spend ££££££ on their bike, thats the bit they enjoy rather than riding the thing.

To me a twin is all about getting yer arms pulled out their sockets without reving the nads off the engine!! Effortless overtaking without doing a riverdance on the gear lever.

Rev fests are for IL4s

Ray

How much is the conversion?

Sigma or Cornerspeed?

:bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy::bouncy:

£800-£900 knicker + labour

Tripple that for my 998 upgrade to my 748RS and then you need the R or the RS frame to start with. Mind you selling the original RS parts get most of that money back
996 conversion makes good sense as you can always get a bit back for the 748 bits left over

Hang on a minute,

What I am trying to say is,............... the bike that I now have is good enough on the road, or I like the power that it makes. Its enough to stay with most bikes on the road going from A to B. If I wanted the biggest V twin engine, tuned to the hilts then I would get a 999r or a 955. Or perhaps another TL1000s and sort out the chassis.

I stated that my bike is still stamped as a 748 but makes the power of a 916. For me, thats quick enough and it keeps the insurance down. I am sure that a 996 would outgrunt my bike but not by that much.

Yes, I could have got a 748R and then converted that but I started with the bike I have and like I have stated, its an on going project or thing with my bike. I had the conversion done at the time I had the engine stripped and fully serviced, so I did not have to shell out for the labour of fitting the 853 kit.

I do not like spending more money than riding the damn thing, its gets used all the time. And if people worry about investments...............then put your money into something else. My bike was bought to be used, it is used and its worth what its worth.

At the end of it all, you pay your money, you take your pick blah blah.;):P And I do not have bottomless pockets. Just work bloody hard and do lots of overtime.

DC.:burn:

[Edited on 13-7-2005 by DC]

wasn't having a pop DC just a bit of banter with the bring it out any time stuff :burn:
my comments about what is available from a 853 is not derogatory just that you can ultimately get more out of a 996.
price motivated me in the end and it seemed cheaper to get the 996.
if the 853 kit had been less I would of gone down that road as you know
:eureka:

[Edited on 13-7-2005 by keefer]

had exactly the same thougts 18m ago...ended up with a 916sps for similar money to that of converting but came with bits like ohlins etc and is an icon..and loads more power and torque too!

I know u were not having a pop mate and I did not take your post in that way.;)Just trying to say that each person takes their own route and has reasons for doing it. Thats all.

For me its boils down to not wanting to pay over a £1000 per year for insurance in central london. My R1 used to cost less to insure than my Ducati. :o

Laterz.................

DC.:burn:

DC, you seem to be saying that your 853 is insured as a 748.

Did your insurance company not ask you if your bike was modified or non-standard in any way ?

Mine always does.

sounds like a little white lie ?
they wont know unless they took the engine apart and measured the piston

Or read this board!

cost wise, about 2-2.5k depending on who does it

Neil lists the conversion on his site as £575 parts, £100 head work, £995 labor for the 'full monty'. That would give you a blinding engine for the cost of a 748+£1700. Not the cheapest way to the power, but an outstanding engine at the end of it.

Not that I'm thinking of getting a 748 trackbike. Oh no. Not me. Noooo way.....

Cheers,

Ali

I know where there's a Sigma tuned 996 for sale :D

;) You know it makes sense.

Great picture of you Ant! Never knew you had all those tats....

Don't for get the VAT which puts you up to Bradders price bracket.

Very true. Arse. :(

I looked at 3 options, Motor Rapido, Nelly and Sigma and all came out over 2k...think Nellys was cheapest and Sigma the most..no brainer in the end my bike plus 2.5k and got a 916sps