one or two classes next year?
 

given the choice, would you rather have just the one classs next year: upto 675 carb/620 injection;
or
2 separate classes(on the same grid): standard 583's and 675/620.

nb: this is obviously dependand on getting the 675's/620 on an equal footing but that is another matter for now.

You could even vote about this on the DD website:

http://www.ducatisportingclub.com/desmodue/

I'm so confused on this "class" issue. I've given up thinking about what is equal and what is "fair". Even within the individual "classes" there is such a wide gulf in the level of preparation and budget, and ultimately we are always going to get the "front runners" and the "tail-enders"...and there is ultimately no "cure" for this.

I currently run an essentially "standard" 600ss with a BB kit. I know I'm never going to be right up there at the sharp end...no matter how much money I throw at the bike. And let;s face it...precious few (ehem...probably none) of us are going to be the next Valentino Rossi...so why are we getting our knickers in a twist about it? I must say that I think a lot of us expected the bikes to be a little more equal than turned out to be the case...and I was utterly stunned at the rate at which the 620s went past me on the start/finish straight at Cadwell....but we all knew the rules. (Unconnected note; as it happens, I think it was extraordinarily "sporting" of Jeff Spencer to re-configer his bike back to standard spec).

I think each and every rider needs to take a close look at his/her motivation for getting out there on the grid and "doing it". Would I have any more fun if I were fighting a field of fifteen and finishing, say, fourth....or competing as we are in the existing field of thirty-whatever and finishing, say thirteenth? My enjoyment is really just getting out there on the grid and having a (semi) friendly scrap with my closest matched competitors...the fast boys have already cleared off, and I've left the slower riders behind...and if we change the rules to make FIVE classes nothing would change!

If there were to be a "split" in the field the arguments would just start to rear up...and NOBODY would be able to say with real authority how that split would actually take place....and whether the classes would be any "fairer". The danger is that we end up with two very under-subscribed race classes and the series begins a slow decent into obscurity. And...thinking selfishly...what would I do?...pay MORE money to re-convert my bike to 583cc, or EVEN MORE to do all the necessary mods to compete fairly with the 620s? I don't want to go there!

Sorry...I'm ranting....so the up-shot is....

DO NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love DD just as it is! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Andy #99

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I think we should instigate a fine system for the over use of "quotes"

;)

:lol:

Ok, I'm off to get these wheels done ....

Just don't change anything in DD for next year... please...

[Edité le 18-8-2005 par Tonio600]

That's three "fines" then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

andy, im very much with you on this but i can see the value in having a 583 only class to encourage people into a series very cheaply and where they can maybe pick up some recognition for their acheivements on the way.

for me, if i come 20th in a race, i come 20th in a race regardless of how many classes, guest riders, non points scorers etc there are.

IMHO

The DD needs to split into two classes....for 4 very good reasons....

1 : it gives people who are interested 2 ways into the DD race series..either spend budget costs and field a 583 or spend a bit more and ride a 620ie..either way we attract/ appeal to a wider audience of potential dd racers...

2 : It gives the 675 riders who cannot afford or dont want to pay out even more for engine mods to drop back to 583 and still race.

3 : it gives the 675 riders who want to compete on a more BHP level playing field the chance to tune the bike and race the 620ie's.

4 : the 583 riders dont have to tune there 583 to compete with either the 675 BB or the 620ie's..they have a race class that is very very evenly matched and would deffo be down to rider skill and experience rather than power advantage.

these are my thoughts.....

Phil

I would like at seperate 583 class and then I may be encouraged to give it another go next year. As it stands I'd have to tune the nuts off my bike or buy a 620 to give me the incentive to get much better and stick it out as without a separate class I doubt there would be any 583's left in it.
I'd much rather stick to a non tuned 583 for entry level racing. I don't want to go and buy a 400 or minitwin to race. I want to race my ickle Ducati.

[Edited on 18-8-2005 by phoenix n max]

I voted for two classes, be nice to see enough entrants for two seperate classes each with there own race.
Phil makes some very good points but did miss one out when it comes to attracting new people into the class.

At all circuits there are a limit on entrants into a race, so if the circuit can host a grid of say 36 riders and we have 38 DSC members wanting to race it will no doubt be the slowest two from quallifying that loose out, if we only have one class there is a good chance these could be riders of 583cc machines and it could be the same people every meeting.

If this was to happen then people thinking of entering the class would steer clear of 583cc bikes, so there goes the cheap introduction to racing. Where as if its in seperate classes then it can be done relative to the pole time in each class which may mean a 620/675 rider could miss out.

never thought of that..............good point.

One grid, 2 classes

wot Skids, Fil & Lin said:cool:

C, off to get a bike to fit the 583 engine in........;)

I don't much care for me it's all about getting out there and having a race. I think if there was going to be another class then it should be a bigger step up maybe a class for 748's :o

[Edited on 18-8-2005 by multi600]

i think the 748 thing is a good call and something that has been talked about i believe but i think we need to get the DD series established before we move into DQ :puzzled:

would be good though.......standard 748's...........diablo corsa'a...........no engine mods...........just exhausts and fuel mapping.........warmers..........

sorry i'm getting carried away.............

:lol: you certainly are young man!:P

top 10 finish in the DD before you progress.......:lol:

thats it...................kick a man when he's down! :(

aw...:(


TP/Flanks - I told you both last weekend we need a 'big hug' smilie - and also a 'kissy' one too

sowwy Dickie:rolleye:

C

xxx - and a hug......







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;)

no what we need is a "im going to kick some arse at brands (if its dry) icon. ;)

Should be fun Dickie, As I'm "only" on a 583 and won't be on the pace of you "fast" boys :devil: I'll hold your coat :lol: :lol: :lol:

I vote for two classes so I can beat some more of you :frog:

Does the DSC really need to look at a seperate class for 748s there is already the Sound of Thunder class which usually has a few spare slots on the grid, yes it will mean racing against more powerful bikes, but you only need to get a handful of 748s out there and you have something similar to the handful of 583s in DD against 620/675s, I know I've been there.

DD is about cheap racing other classes for Ducati bikes are Minitwins and SoT, nice to see TP having a go this coming weekend and Garry Smith, Felix and others would be quite happy to have some other DSC guys to race against, two years ago there were at least 3 DSC members in the North Glos SoT championship.

Here's hoping its wet at Brands :devil:

If there were to be 2 classes why does the split have to be 583 and 675/620,why not 583/675 and 620.
To make the 675's competative would cost well over £700 and (for something that nobody can quantify for definate,remember the BB saga) and for that money you can drop in a 620 lump.
For what its worth i voted for 1 class ,the same as this year.
Butch

How about 2 classes...

583 + 620 (how it should have been from the start IMHO)

...all the 675 boys can use the £500 they'll save on not using wets, to turn their bikes bike to 583's.

;)

[Edited on 18-8-2005 by domski]

Who cares :frog:

DD racer # actually not a DD racer

Why not 583/675 and 620
Because the extra 16% (92cc) increase certainly offers the BB bikes an advantage over standard. They are also bikes that owners have decide to throw a bit of extra money at, Doms right if the 675 can't compete with the 620s the kits should have been left on the shelf.

Only one class is going to be restrictive, it would push everbody towards 620s and also restrict entries,
32 max at Mallory, Cadwell Woodlands is 28 max and 38 on the full cct, Pembrey is 36, Brands Indy is 38, most the others are 40.

Maybe 38 entries is all we want then avoid a couple of circuits and we will be OK. Maybe I'm just hoping for to much when I would like to see more than 38 DSC members getting the oppotunity to race in an affordable yet competive class.

Also, if you make it 583 v 675/620 you are forcing the BB riders to spend extra money to compete on a 'more' level playing field.

Either way the BB riders lose out!!

Why not make it just 583 cc then we can all sell our BB kits and 620s, then buy a cheap 583 and pocket the money that we save.

sounds good to me Geoff;) - we've got 2 carbie engines - just one happens to have a BB kit on it, and the other is more knackered than that one!:o

I was hoping for 2 grids - then you could ride in both!;):cool:

C:saint:

Do you really think somebody is gonna buy our 620? Maybe yours, because it looks nice, but mine without any road parts I'm sure I'll have to keep it for life :(

So no please, keep a 620 class... just for me :D

Because DUK would obviously like to see their current offering out on the track and have someone like you prove how good a bike it is and how much better it is than the model it replaced.

...and there's me thinking people oop norf had no sense of humour ;)

:lol:

I can't see 620's being ditched from the series. I have all the road bits for mine so it would go back to road trim and be sold but I wouldn't buy a 583, it just doesn't really appeal to me.

If I was going to spend money again, because realistically I'd lose the ability to leverage the investment I'd made in setting up my current bike and have to do it again for a 583, I'd rather buy an 800 and go to minitwins. Yes it would be cheaper to go to a 583 but I'd rather go that way to be honest. Changing that rule would just force my hand a year early.

That's if I don't end up selling the DD bike to fund a house and not race at all next year.

I think you'd look nice in your own house mate.

...near the Gold Coast!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

You'd like it there Dom, it doesn't rain much ;)

Where do I sign? :D

ah..................stop being a baby!

Not saying it will happen, but a potential financial reality.

I could use the year to slowly build a minitwin. ... just depends on how rubbish I am this weekend at Cadwell :D