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DC 19-Aug-2005 22:10

Ducati specific engine tools.
 
Hello guys, got a few more questions for ya,

I am looking at getting the Ducati tools that enable you to:

1/ Undo the pullies on the timing belts, take off and do up.

2/ Undo the cylinder head nuts/ do up.

3/ Check belt tension of belts.

Now putting aside the belt tensioner, I have been informed that these tools cost a fortune. Is that the case?

If it is, then I will make my own versions. Some methods have been shown in the Haynes manaul.

The other thing I want to ask is:

The bolts on the ends of the conrods seem to be star shaped. Are these Torx as I have looked in the tool shops but the torx sockets I see advertised do not look right. They seem to be a different star shape.

Any advice would be great.

Ta,

DC:burn:

skidlids 19-Aug-2005 22:22

For cheaper belt tension tools try Snap-on or Facom
do a search using the above names and my board name and it should come up with links.
I use a Snap-on AST tool, but Facom did a cheaper one a short while after I got mine.

Felix 19-Aug-2005 22:38

Also look on Ebay for the hand tools. Seen 'em a few times.

DC 19-Aug-2005 23:00

cheers chaps, I will keep my eyes peeled on flea bay.

DC.

nelly 19-Aug-2005 23:45

The bolts heads on the conrod bolts are simply 12 point sockets. 10mm I think. Use a 10mm 12 point socket and all is well ;)

The pulleys can be undone with a peg spanner and a suitable socket ground to match the 4 drive points in the nut.

you can use a crow foot spaner on the head bolts or modify an open ended spanner..........................

there are several ways around most of the "special" tools. for occasional use they work fine. If you're going to use them more regularly, then look at investing in the real thing. They are pretty good quality and will last a while if you look after them. You can always sell them on at a later date and recoup some of the initial cost......

DC 19-Aug-2005 23:55

Cheers Nelly,

I have been looking on line at various tools and had thought of the crows head tool as well. I may do a bit of spanner bending and welding!

I see the other threads on this site about the belt tensioning. Some good bits of info there.

All in all, I think that I am gonna make up the tools and see how I go.

I will adapt a socket to undo the nuts on the timing belt pullies and I have a clutch holding tool that should keep them still to do this.

Once again, thanks for the help.

DC;)

nelly 20-Aug-2005 00:08

There's 4 holes in the cam pulleys that the factory tool locates on. I'd try and use these rather than hold the pulley teeth. If you mark them you'll cut the belts up. You can use a peg spanner.

I used to use a 15mm ring spanner on the head nuts with a socket welded on the shank. Measure back from the ring to the socket, calculate the extra torque applied and adjust the torque wrench to suit. worked fine for me for years.

DC 20-Aug-2005 00:16

[quote]Originally posted by nelly
There's 4 holes in the cam pulleys that the factory tool locates on. I'd try and use these rather than hold the pulley teeth. If you mark them you'll cut the belts up. You can use a peg spanner.

What about using the method of the old belt with a set of mole grips to tighten it up. As suggested in the Haynes manual?

And you have u2u by the way.

DC:D

nelly 20-Aug-2005 00:28

Those nuts do up to 72Nm............. I'd use a peg spanner ;)

DC 20-Aug-2005 10:13

Quote:

Originally posted by nelly
Those nuts do up to 72Nm............. I'd use a peg spanner ;)

Cheers mate. I have those in the workshop, so I will take your advice. Got most tools just not the Ducati ones!!

Micrometers, dail gauges, Timing disc, Torque wrenches, pullers and air tools etc.

DC



DC

monstermob 998 20-Aug-2005 11:03

you could try one of these:- the thread size on the SS cam and the audi top shock are the same size (i just measured them) so i would assume the peg sizes are the same (i have nylock nuts on my audi) im gonna order one just to find out for a little more than a fiver what do i loose i can use on me car anyway!!!!

http://www.jbtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh0...3aSX028#aSX028

this company does them too cheaper shipping too
http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl?sc=7

will let you know if it fits

[Edited on 20-8-2005 by monstermob 998]

DC 20-Aug-2005 20:47

Quote:

Originally posted by monstermob 998
you could try one of these:- the thread size on the SS cam and the audi top shock are the same size (i just measured them) so i would assume the peg sizes are the same (i have nylock nuts on my audi) im gonna order one just to find out for a little more than a fiver what do i loose i can use on me car anyway!!!!

http://www.jbtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh0...3aSX028#aSX028

this company does them too cheaper shipping too
http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl?sc=7

will let you know if it fits

[Edited on 20-8-2005 by monstermob 998]

Good man;)

deej 21-Aug-2005 21:38

the toll for the engine head bolts are £135 + vat, try the ring spanner to remove and crows foot to tighten if your confident in torqueing them up correctly

i wasnt and tahst why louigimoto has my bike to have the work done

monstermob 998 23-Aug-2005 20:37

Quote:

Originally posted by monstermob 998
you could try one of these:- the thread size on the SS cam and the audi top shock are the same size (i just measured them) so i would assume the peg sizes are the same (i have nylock nuts on my audi) im gonna order one just to find out for a little more than a fiver what do i loose i can use on me car anyway!!!!

http://www.jbtools.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh0...3aSX028#aSX028

this company does them too cheaper shipping too
http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl?sc=7

will let you know if it fits

[Edited on 20-8-2005 by monstermob 998]

nah forget it DC--- the peg sizes are the same but the ducati slots /pegs are on a larger diameter than the VW/Audi ones-- but i did get a whisper that german and swedish do a set of three strut nut tools for under a tenner!!!- the quest continues

Ericsson 23-Aug-2005 21:32

Quote:

Originally posted by monstermob 998
nah forget it DC--- the peg sizes are the same but the ducati slots /pegs are on a larger diameter than the VW/Audi ones-- but i did get a whisper that german and swedish do a set of three strut nut tools for under a tenner!!!- the quest continues

Any more info on the Swedish ones? Maybe I could find out some more with a bit more info.

Anything like these ones?

http://www.biltema.se/products/produ...?iItemId=79597

[Edited on 23-8-2005 by Ericsson]

monstermob 998 24-Aug-2005 00:10

ericsson mate-- thats the type of thing we are looking for- that is very similar to the Draper set -- german and swedish is a auto factors(car spares supplier in UK) specifically for german and swedish cars i:e audi/VW/bmw saab etc

http://www.gsfcarparts.com/


the distance between the pegs is around 22-25mm i havent measured them specifically yet will do tomorrow

the quest is going global!!!

thanks for your input ericsson-- we'll keep searching there must be tool to subsitute the ducati ones

[Edited on 23-8-2005 by monstermob 998]

mikesps 24-Aug-2005 03:05

Drawing with dimensions attached.

Mike

mikesps 24-Aug-2005 03:07

Well I thought it was. Trying again

Mike

DC 24-Aug-2005 11:23

Quote:

Originally posted by mikesps
Well I thought it was. Trying again

Mike

The quest continues.;):D

DC.

m1keyp 24-Aug-2005 21:54

If you need a good clutch holding tool this is the one used in the haynes manual, it worked for me

Motion pro part number 08-0008

UK distributor around £ 22.00 inc postage

Allen's Performance R&D
Unit B9, Moorbridge Road
Bingham, Nottingham NG13-8GG
Phone: 011-44-1949-836-733
Fax: 011-44-1949-836-734

DC 25-Aug-2005 11:28

Quote:

Originally posted by m1keyp
If you need a good clutch holding tool this is the one used in the haynes manual, it worked for me

Motion pro part number 08-0008

UK distributor around £ 22.00 inc postage

Allen's Performance R&D
Unit B9, Moorbridge Road
Bingham, Nottingham NG13-8GG
Phone: 011-44-1949-836-733

Cheers mate,

I already have a clutch holding tool. But thanks for the info.

DC.
Fax: 011-44-1949-836-734

skidlids 25-Aug-2005 23:34

As I just sent this link to Mogwai I thought I may as well post it here as well in case newbies haven't come across it yet.

http://www.ducatitech.com/4v/maint/belts/


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