WANTED SP5 Silencers+ spaghetti!!
 

I am after a replacement set of cans(or whole system) for my SP5 if anyone has a spare set!!a SPAGHETTI SYSTEM WOULD BE NICE AS WELL!!:D

I have a new set of Termi CF cans for SP5 that I might be selling this winter.

I have $1100 usd in them, so that's what want for them + shipping.

Mike

You have e-mail.

Hi Jasper

I'm after a set of CF cans too, for my SP4. What's up with those you already have? If they're 'decent', and you wish to sell, I may be interested in buying.

Cheers
Steve

Nothing.I am just doing a bit of experimenting and don't want to butcher the originals.I ma going to make a spaghetti/nest of vipers set and try them against the originals.Thats why i'm after headers,both 45 and 50mm as it will be easier to cut the pipes and weld in sections.

I can get a set of original spaghetti pipes mate but they are a horendous price!

That's why i am going to have a go myself!Do you have a spaghetti system?If so nay chance of e-mailing some pics please.

No mate but I know a man who dose I ask but he is French and you know what they are like!

cheers.offer him a plate of snails and some garlic(with wine!!).

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Jasper]

proper vipers do cost a few quid.
there are several different size and fitting configs about. Make sure you get the right ones etc.
The set of vipes and pipes I had on my 851 were proper corse items, of an early race bike, as such were a good upgrade on the bike, but some of later systems use larger than 50mm diameter pipe. also the silencer pipe length can vary quite a bit.

I paid £600.00 (and that was used) just for the nest of vipers last year, let alone the silencers etc.
you may find it cheaper to buy a proper set in the long run.

cheers
robin

From what i can gather,with my bike as pretty much standard,it looks like i am better off making the system in 45's rather than 50's.keeping the 50mm silencers of course.As i am looking at doing the work,the only cost will be the tube,maybe get some flanges plus my labour.How does the nest of vipers differ from the spaghetti system?Do you have any pics please.As many as possible!!

you could always sell me yours!!:D

vipes or spagetti , one of the same .

JUST NICE TO KNOW!:D

Indeed, the motor needs to be built (cams and head flowed, larger valves) and tuned to take advantage of 45-50mm systems, otherwise you'll actually loose power by using 45--50mm tubes on a standard motor in standard tune. It's best use 40mm tubes (o.e.m. Farne or spaghetti) on standard motor.

But do understand that the SP2, SP3 and SP4 have heathy cams, larger valves and motor state of tune to use 45mm headers, which is what they come with, either the original "Farne" style or slightly better spasghetti style.

Then we have the SP4S (SPS) and SP5 motors that can easily use 45mm and 50mm headers because they are at a high degree of tune (91 Corse' spec motor) to utilize these large diameters.

Imho.......the SPS/SP5 motors the 45mm headers will give less peak hp with more overall torque, whereas the 50mm headers will give more peak hp with less overall torque.

Therefore, I think the best exhaust for the SPS/SP5 is the 45mm Termignoni spaghetti system with Termi cans.

I fancy some of the spaghetti headers myself,came across a bloke who works for the car makers in Crewe in the R&D department,reckons welding pipes together to fit no problem,wether it would be more than just good to look at,another story.Some of the money mentioned in regard to "performance" exhausts is mind blowing,Termi cans £450+vat for what?,it takes time and money to develop,design and build a "road" silencer with intricate baffling that performs well and meets noise regs.A "performance"can is a tube,with a perforated pipe inside wrapped in wadding,a different world to genuine race pipes that are developed constantly to changing engine specs.Arrow who know a bit about exhausts took a different route

Can't say i fancy th eground clearance on that.But i do agree as to the costs of these things.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Jasper]

Jasper, I have some good photos. I'll ping em across at some point via email

Regards, Rob

Excellent.thanks

Had my exhaust modified today to connect the SP silencers,by JP Exhausts in Macclesfield.Cant praise these people enough for the service,workmanship and price.They will make any system you want either from a pattern or built to the bike,spaghetti system if you show them what you want.The quality far exceeds any of the usual "performance" systems from Italy and none of the ridiculous prices.

How about a group purchase of Spaghetti headers or full systems from them? There was one recently on Yahoo from SilMoto which got quite a few US takers, but the systems were a bit expensive once they had been shipped half wayround the world twice.
Before I get nominated, I am in Kuala Lumpur so nipping round to speak to them is a bit tricky. We did look at trying to do something similar here, but so far have not found anyone working to a high enough standard. Most people here make enormous stainless "silencers" for boy racers in Protons at about UKP15 each.
If the price was right I would take two since I have just bought a second SP3 in pieces. Hard to expalin, but I am sure you understand.

Mike
:P

Pibbow wrote :

""No mate but I know a man who dose I ask but he is French and you know what they are like!""

---> Tell me more ... I want to learn !!!! :D

I'm up for a group purchase. Who is good at organising stuff???!!!

Christ i haven't even started to try and build a set yet.Unless you are looking at doing it yourself!!:D

you need to step things up a gear or two mate, time is passing you by.;);)

keep up the good work.:D:D

just a word of warning on this subject, there are a lots of sources of these items , but be carefull what you get or get fabricated.
A good friend of mine designs/fabricates exhaust systems and manifolds for high performance motor racing engines etc.
I asked him last year about making some of these items up, from the corse nest of vipers I got from baines.
End result was not going work out much cheaper than proper items, also their is more to making these things up than just welding and bending pipes to look the same.
If you take a good look at proper corse systems and how well they are made up, without loads of weld joins etc, also very carefully calculated pipe lenghs and bend angles etc to get spot on balance between both cylinders.
with a proper set carefully designed for the job you will get results, if not just some nice looking expensive pipwork.
you know what I'm saying guys.
Just my input .;)

just for your info, i have a 48mm termignoni "daytona" spaghetti system on my 888 and after having both a SP2 system and then SP5 mufflers on the SP2 headers i can say with confidence the spaghetti system is in a completely different class to the road systems. aside from the light weight stainless tubing, all welds are internally ground for the smoothest finish and best flow. they truly are a work of art and duplicating both the design and performance will be nigh on impossible. staintune in australia here make a spaghetti insert to replace the std crossover and on a mates bike he lost 5hp at peak rpm and about 8hp through the middle (they don't make them anymore).just my FHE.

In order to compare different original models, here are the fitted exhaust lines of my bikes ...

First : Giocamoto mod.

OOOoouuuppppsssss ....
Sorry :(

Secondly, an original (factory) exhaust line for Corsa 1993, welded by Verlicchi Comp. for Termignoni pipes ...

And then an original (too ...) for Corsa 1994 !!!

My eyes are burning ...:)

The 1993 works/factory 888 race bikes used the same exhaust as your 1994 corsa. I tried to get new mufflers for my 1993 bike and Ducati sent me mufflers that were too short. The mufflers on your bike and mine have an extra piece welded into them to lengthen them.

When I found that the 1994 mufflers were different, I was able to get a right side muffler, and instead of having the extra piece welded in, it was now made up using one longer pipe.

Brian

""""The 1993 works/factory 888 race bikes used the same exhaust as your 1994 corsa. """"
---> It looks like quite similar but aren't, because of the different diameters tubes !!!

According to your explanations about the lenght of the tubes, let me precise :

If you check the Racing pics 93 and 94, you can see on each pic, the original 93 and 94 exhaust pipes !!!
In 1993, Ducati was on trouble with aerodynamic matters for the 888. They decided to make few modifications essentialy about fairings, windshield and pipes ... When I compare my both bikes, I can tell you that the difference is very important and even a first and fast general look on the bike makes immediatly your view different ...
The consequences of this improvments are immediately visible at the cans level indeed.
Have a look to the following pic and observe the difference between brackets shapes which support the can ends ...

Pics ... again !!!

- Seen from back side, the R.93 seems to be ... wide !!!

... today is a bd computer day !!!

;)

Pics ... again !!!

- Seen from back side, the R.93 seems to be ... wide !!!

... while the R.94 is very ... narrow !!!


---> Brian, can you send a pic of your 888 please ???