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domski 21-Sep-2005 20:24

What a superb idea - 2006
 
I don't think anyone will mind me posting this, but I think it's one of the best ideas yet...

TAKEN FROM THE DRAFT RULES

"The overall winner of the Desmo Due trophy will be the rider who scores the most points regardless of class."

...great stuff!!

So a 583 rider could win the overall title.

Hat's off fellas :eureka:

[Edited on 21-9-2005 by domski]

butch890 21-Sep-2005 20:28

sorry Dom ,dont agree with that one either.
that weould be like a privateer in bsb being able to win the overall championship!
I think it devalues the series.
Butch

ericthered40 21-Sep-2005 20:31

Are the rules posted or just out to you lot?

I like that rule :roll:

GsxrAge 21-Sep-2005 20:37

I'm not racing but it does sound like doms got a good Idea.

It will also mean that no matter how big your budget is you have a chance of winning the title

boggy 8 21-Sep-2005 20:45

How can you beat someone that you dont race against.

skidlids 21-Sep-2005 20:56

I think the overall champion should be the 620 class champion, the 583 class will have its own champion who then if they wanted could move up to the 620 class to try to become overall Desmo Due champion.

I can see the 583 class having more interest for the DSC members and the 620 class having more interest from Ducati especially in the form of dealers interest (DLS for example), although hopefully the interest from all parties will cross over both classes to some extent

domski 21-Sep-2005 20:58

It based on points.

So if the 620 champion ends the year on 300 points, and a 583 champion ends on 320 points, then the 583 champion is the OVERALL winner of the trophy.

Both are champions, but only one gets the main trophy.

It will be equally hard to win each championship, so why only give the 620 riders the chance to win the 'title'.

Everyone has something to race for.

AND...

Remember Butch, this aint MotoGP.

AND...

It's not my idea, it's in the proposed/draft rules. I just think it's a top idea.

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:00

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Message original : boggy 8
How can you beat someone that you dont race against.

I'll second that one. If you've got 5 guys of the same level battling for the title in one class and 2 in the other one, the 2 guys will have a lot more of chances to be your overall winner.

And what I don't understand is why we need an overall DD champion????? We've got 2 classes, we'll have 2 champions. Period.

So Dom, I'm very disappointed by you best idea of the century :lol::lol::lol:
Fantasy DD was a lot better I think :D

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:02

Quote:

Message original : domski
It will be equally hard to win each championship, so why only give the 620 riders the chance to win the 'title'.

So it means the same riders will race in both classes???? Don't you want to think again about what you wrote Dom? :lol:

[Edité le 21-9-2005 par Tonio600]

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:04

f0ck. I'm debating a rule and I haven't even noticed it... :(

domski 21-Sep-2005 21:06

THIS WAS NOT MY IDEA EVERYONE!!!

It's in the rules - which obviously nobody has read!!

I just think it's a good idea.

Which rule says everyone has to disagree with anything I say? :lol:

[Edited on 21-9-2005 by domski]

domski 21-Sep-2005 21:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Tonio600
Quote:

Message original : domski
It will be equally hard to win each championship, so why only give the 620 riders the chance to win the 'title'.

So it means the same riders will race in both classes???? Don't you want to think again about what you wrote Dom? :lol:

[Edité le 21-9-2005 par Tonio600]

Stop being French Antoine ;)

What I said was perfectly clear.

You have TWO Championships.

You have TWO Champions.

...but the highest points scorer wins the OVERALL title/cup.

A lot of clubs run this format for an OVERALL club champion - taking in to account every championship, powerbikes, 600, 400, 125, sidecars etc.

All are individual champions, but you can only have ONE overall club champion - or none at all I suppose.

I give up :smug:

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:11

If it's in the rules, finally why not. Yeah it can be fun.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:15

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Message original : domski
All are individual champions, but you can only have ONE overall club champion - or none at all I suppose.

I think the logical way would be to pick him (her) up in the fastest bikes class... Anyway I can't stop to be French cause I love it :devil:

And you can you stop to be Dom?? Huh?? :lol::lol::lol:

(and when I said same riders in both classes that was an extrapolation (he he...) of you saying that it will be equally hard to win one or another championship which is tooooooootally wrong :lol: )

[Edité le 21-9-2005 par Tonio600]

domski 21-Sep-2005 21:21

Who says that the 620 Champion deserves to be the overall champion?

Because they have £3000 more to spend on a bike?

What if someone wins every race by 20 seconds? Are they more deserving or did they have it easy?

What if the 583 series is a 8-way battle and harder than the 620 series.

Basically how can anyone say what will happen and who deserves what more - coz nobody knows!

It will only affect 2 people anyway, and that counts about 50 of us out.

I'm sure Geoff won't mind if I win the overall title by riding in the 583 class :lol::lol::lol:

domski 21-Sep-2005 21:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Tonio600
(and when I said same riders in both classes that was an extrapolation (he he...) of you saying that it will be equally hard to win one or another championship which is tooooooootally wrong :lol: )

How dare you make me get an English dictionary out!!! :D

Why will the 583 class be easier to win?

[Edited on 21-9-2005 by domski]

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:48

I didn't say easier. It may be the opposite. My opinion is because you won't have the same riders in both classes, one of the 2 classes may be easier to win than the other one.

domski 21-Sep-2005 21:52

That's true. I agree.

So why make the 620 Champion the overall DD Champion?

It could be easy to win that.

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:56

Actually I don't see any reason to have an overall champion. For me you brought the idea (actually the rules...) but I don't need an overall champion. I think 2 champions for 2 classes are fairer.

[Edité le 21-9-2005 par Tonio600]

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 21:58

Quote:

Message original : domski
I'm sure Geoff won't mind if I win the overall title by riding in the 583 class :lol::lol::lol:

haaaaaaaaaaa. I see where you're going. No mate, remember 1 year ago and see now :lol::lol:

domski 21-Sep-2005 22:00

Quote:

Originally posted by Tonio600
Quote:

Message original : domski
I'm sure Geoff won't mind if I win the overall title by riding in the 583 class :lol::lol::lol:

haaaaaaaaaaa. I see where you're going. No mate, remember 1 year ago and see now :lol::lol:

It was a joke ;)

I also think you're right (again - sheesh) about having the 2 individual champions, and that's it.

dickieducati 21-Sep-2005 22:21

how about just getting out there and racing:eureka:

if you win something, you win something. if you dont, ride faster.

and dom,

"I'm sure Geoff won't mind if I win the overall title by riding in the 583 class "

you joining in then or doing a 'weeksy'?


for what my opinion is worth (jack all normally) i like the idea of overall champion too. it wont devalue either the 583 or 620 titles imho.

domski 21-Sep-2005 22:25

Quote:

Originally posted by dickieducati
and dom,

"I'm sure Geoff won't mind if I win the overall title by riding in the 583 class "

you joining in then or doing a 'weeksy'?


How dare you!!!! :o

...I may have my name down for something ;)

psychlist 21-Sep-2005 22:33

Quote:

Originally posted by domski
How dare you!!!! :o

...I may have my name down for something ;)

Not pole dancing at "The Blue Dolphin" again Dom :o

domski 21-Sep-2005 22:40

SSssssshhhhhhh!!!!

You said you weren't going again this week anyway :P

Dominic Clegg 21-Sep-2005 22:56

dom thats a great idea it ties the whole thing together

dickieducati 21-Sep-2005 22:58

yeah dom you're grrrrrreat!

evn though it had nothing to do with you.

domski 21-Sep-2005 23:03

I know, but us doms need to stick together.

You know, just like you dicks :lol:

hawk 21-Sep-2005 23:12

Well for what it's worth!!!



i'm 50/50 on this one:puzzled:

but think it will give both classes equal awards and something to fight for no matter your machine/budget;)

still

i no nothing so i'm orrrrffffffffff:biaggi:

Scooter916 21-Sep-2005 23:24

Without Giving too much away, The A class should be the overall champion and recieve the trophy. The B class champion im sure will be justly rewarded for their efforts.;)

domski 21-Sep-2005 23:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Scooter916
Without Giving too much away, The A class should be the overall champion and recieve the trophy. The B class champion im sure will be justly rewarded for their efforts.;)

Why though?

Is the A class harder? Is the A class winner a better rider/racer than the B class winner?

I think this has proven to be something that cannot be agreed upon, and as it doesn't appear to affect anything, maybe it should be looked at again? Afterall, this is just the 2nd draft of the rules for 2006.

Maybe just having 1 champion for each class is enough.

How about a race off? :D

Tonio600 21-Sep-2005 23:48

Quote:

Message original : domski
Maybe just having 1 champion for each class is enough.

+1.
No idea of how it works at Club level, but Rossi isn't the current "125 250 MotoGP" champion...

fil2 22-Sep-2005 09:47

i think its a great idea

class champion and an overall champion on total points.!...

cant see how any of this de-values the series.?..............

Andy#99 22-Sep-2005 09:54

Now....my two-penneth....

What if someone were to ride in BOTH classes, do moderately well and came, say, seventh and eighth in each class, and their COMBINED points gave them the biggest total....HEY PRESTO...an "average" rider picks up the overall champ trophy!!!!!!

Two championships, two champs, no overall title please.

Andy #99

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dickieducati 22-Sep-2005 09:55

now you're just being pedantic!

let them take their highest score from either series. simple.

fil2 22-Sep-2005 10:02

Quote:

Originally posted by dickieducati
now you're just being pedantic!

let them take their highest score from either series. simple.

easy aint it really................:D

ChrisBushell 22-Sep-2005 10:53

Boys,

I wonder sometimes what you lot would do if there wasn't a bit of an argument going on here!

Ok as someone has said up near the top, there have to be Class Champions at the end of the year, so we do that regardless.

As to a cup to the person who is the highest points scorer regardless of Class (You can only count points from one class), quite frankly we thought that it was a nice thing to do, as some one said "Club Champion".

However as I said in the covering note, these are still draft and if the majority of entrants disagree then it can be taken out.

Tonio600 22-Sep-2005 11:01

Quote:

Message original : Andy#99
Two championships, two champs, no overall title please.


Andy president :)


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