Any Kickboxers here?
 

I know Jools does a bit of ar$e kicking and fil2 is a bit of a legend but I believe these guys are both Karate? Could be wrong ...

I'm considering taking up kickboxing or something similar. Purely to get out agression and get fit really - not because I want to beat the crap out of anyone or anything.

Ahem

So, does anyone do it? Advice etc?

I reckon you'll need two working ankles first...

I have been known to kick my boxers around the bedroom before :sing:

Does that count :lol:

I think you should fight Ali :lol:

Just realised these boys are forming another clique - the Way of the Broken Shoulder. What with Dave Reilly as well, they'll be taking over DD soon!

sorry, I read that as box kickers!:roll:

Oi .. the broken clique!

Nah .. I just think kickboxing would be really good way to get aggression out and get quite fit.

Clearly I won't be able to do anything until next year - I'll be in an orthopaedic boot until the end of November and physio for a while. The consultant reckons I could be back playing rugby mid-Jan so I should be ok for kickboxing by then too.

no kick boxing
but i do a mean sumo:frog:

Just good old fashioned queensbury rules me;)

My other half did kickboxing up until last summer, graded through as far as her blue belt, found it a really good way to keep fit and flexible

Cheers
Martin

[Edited on 5-10-2005 by Urban996]

I do -they don't call me "chicken-legs" chan for nothing.



In fact, they don't call me "chicken legs" chan at all! What do you want to know?

TP, My advice would be to research anything called "kick"boxing.

As What I`ve discovered in the past, is it could be anything, ie: Some sort of lame kick boxing, run by some bloke who watched a Jakie Chan movie when he was 12 or it could be some water`d down kick boxing based on a low grade Kung fu or Karate system. (Lau gar,wado ryu ect)

It sounds like you want the real deal, so search out genuine Muay Thai, Thai Boxing.
Serious stuff and even more serious in the street, as you not only learn to be effective with your fist, shins and feet, but also knee`s and elbow`s.

Although most UK Matches do not allow the use of elbow strike`s, for obvious reasons.

Now I have moved to windsor, I`m about to re-start training Kyoukushinkai in Reading (as I can`t travel to london every time) but its only once a week, so I`ve been looking to suppliment it with Muay Thai also, there is a great Club in Reading , but very hard to be excepted as a student, so fingers crossed.

Bu`sen down in Twickenham High street, would be a good place to start your journey grass hopper...





[Edited on 5-10-2005 by Bubbles]

I did a fair bit of reading on this last night after I put this thread up - Muay Thai is the way to go I reckon.

What is Bu'sen on the Twickers High Street? I've never heard of them. What happens there?

Chi, I guess I'm looking for a club I can go and check out to see how they go about things etc.

i have done 3 years of full contact kick boxing ..in my days.......

what can i help u with m8

i guess it depends on tonys motivating factors to get involved with Kick boxing...Muay Thai sure is a very good art but not if you want to keep fit and keep your hand in..its a little more serious than that.....imho......

Muay Thai for tonys goals may be a little heavy.....

best advice go look at a club and actually try out a session....my advise if indeed all you want is to keep fit and sharpen up a little is a free style club...a little more casual if thats the right word, than muay Thai.

Other than that check the club as in my 19 years of martial arts experience they differ greatly and each art is only as good as the guy taking the session.....

hope that helps a little.

[Edited on 5-10-2005 by fil2]

anyone know anything about swinging baseball bats, not looking to play the game just looking for a couple of well placed blows. have own bat. will travel.

:lol:

;)

Good advice, thanks mate.

I'll have to check out some local clubs :)

I'm still a few months away from my shodan grading (1st black belt - hopefully should be early in the new year) and as such I am a raw beginner. Neither do I know very much about any other form of martial art, other than the Shotokan that I'm involved in.

Fil and Bubbles have got far, far more experience as their answers clearly show.

I agree with Fil though, it depends what your motivation for getting into martial arts is. If you just want to keep fitter and work out some aggression you might just as well buy a punch bag and use it to punch and kick the crap out of. That'll exhaust you pretty quickly and let you work off steam.

If you want to get fitter, learn some mental control and learn how to look after yourself a bit better if you were ever involved in any street violence then some form of martial art is good.

I also agree with Fil that you need to scope out the clubs and associations. Even within a single martial arts discipline, like Shotokan, the various associations will have their own style - some will concentrate more on theory and being able to perform perfect basic techniques and kata, some will go for teaching lots of stuff between each grade, others will lean towards Kumite (sparring) and competition. Don't get me wrong, they will all teach the same sort of thing just with a different degree of emphasis. The only question that I would pose to Fil is that if you are a raw beginner (and I would still count myself as one) how would you know which is a good or a bad club?

My own association has recently changed emphasis from having to know 4 kata and a whole heap of basics to grade for Shodan to just having to know 1 kata (plus all your preceeding grading kata of course) and fewr basics - but, you now have to perform all this to a much higher standard (I'm a little miffed that I've just spent 9 months learning 3 kata that I don't need right now but...hey!). Along with this shift in emphasis, the association is putting more into teaching more 'streetwise' self defence. I'm quite happy with the new emphasis on quality not quantity and the new focus on applications of techniques for self defence.

So your choice of martial art is really down to what you want out of it personally.

As I say, my opinion is based on very little knowledge but if you want to learn how to defend yourself, get into a discipline that teaches you how to use every part of your body as a weapon. Flash Jackie Chan type kicks look impressive when everyones wearing a Gi in the Dojo (or whatever the equivalent is in other martial arts) and you have the freedom of movement that you have in martial arts clothing, when you're on the street you'll find your street clothes (especially jeans) wont let you stretch enough to throw a hard, fast, accurate kick (correction, that should read MY jeans won't allow ME to... etc....you may be more flexible).

The only other thing to say is be prepared for the long haul. This stuff is far more difficult than it looks and requires patience and dedication to get anywhere. I've trained 2 sometimes 3 times a week for the last 4 years and I'm still a beginner...

Good luck with whatever you choose....and please don't hit me when you've learned it all ;)

i could still have the lot of you
whos first:frog:

:lol:

fil2 :D

My ex- trained in muay thai in Manchester.
My daughter currently does shukokai brown>black.
Of the two disciplines, most definitely for stamina and fitness the muay thai drops you straight in it although you'll be trained according to your fitness level.
The karate is less stamina at the early levels unless you go for straight defensive level for your personal protection.

all the best - and remember....I didn't take the michael :lol:

TP, Busen is a Martial arts Dojo in Twickenham High street, 2 doors from Mc Donalds.

Also, Buy Combat Magazine, it`ll give you a little more info.

If it's fitness, then wouldn't boxing be a better all round choice, as there's a lot of stamina and endurance training covered in this.

If it's self defence, my choice is (was) krav maga

Or if you wanna go for something really trendy, try Keysei Fighting Method, all the celebs are doing it Darrlling...

Krav Maga is sooo last year....(well a few years ago, when was Tomb raider out?, Keysei Fighting method is the style that Batman uses in the new Batman Movie, god only knows where its comes from :lol: and yes I`ve googled it )

But thats what I mean about Faddy arts, capoiera (African/Brazillian) Krav Maga ( Israilly special forces) penjak silat (some Indian art) They all come and go, depending on what celeb has "discovered" it this year.

It really is best to stick with the Traditional Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Thai Arts...

Judo, Karate,some forms of Kung fu,Tae kwon do and Thai Boxing.

Anything else, is a risk...IMHO

It’s well complicated all this Hong Kong fuwi stuff.

Just play five a side football and buy a gun.

:lol:

This is the sort of crap you should be looking out for.

http://www.xtracademy.com/index.htm
or
http://www.blazemartialarts.co.uk/



This is the sort of thing you should be looking for, something with a good strong History and foundation.

http://www.bkk-uk.com
or
http://www.mastersken.com/

[Edited on 6-10-2005 by Bubbles]

[Edited on 6-10-2005 by Bubbles]

Sorry chap, did it about 10 years ago whilst working with the Israeli military, not interested in trends, no one had heard of it back then, but it's a useful art that's taught to all Israeli service personnel.

Also did shotokan for several years, but , again personally, I found it too restricted to form and style (I understand why it's done this way, it just didn't suit me).

Since leaving the services, I've not bothered to maintain any defensive art, as there's no longer a personal need.

I'd agree wholeheartedly in getting training from someone with a lot of history and experience and not a boutique gym. But I'd disagree that one style is superior to the other.

no style is superior to the other .... its down to the practitioner..........

To answer your question Jools how do you know a good club from a bad club..well as a raw recruit that will be hard to do.......so when i made the jump from boxing to karate i actually went along and trained at various clubs not watch but train.most clubs will let you train for a few sessions before actually joining the association....this way you can get a feel for the club and at raw recruit level its about wether you enjoy the way they train rather than the content....and you will quickly even after a few sessions realise the standard of the clubs after training at a few..

When i first started training there were not the " fashion arts " as v-man points out so rightly in the numbers there are now...so i first looked on reputation and joined the SAMA club in Brighton..

I think the more experienced you become the more the style you train in can become restrictive its one of the reasons i did ju-jitsu for 5 years as well as shotokan...most experiment with other styles..............

got carried away there...upshot go train in a good club and train in a style or club that meets your goal criteria..................

Phil

I`m not having a dig, just a bit of light hearted pi55 taking, but every art has its dis-advantages and weekness`s, for centuries this argument has been raging "which martial art is the Ultimate art"
Which is why UFC (Vale tudo) has grown into what is (IMHO) the Ultimate Fighting Art, No frills, no fancy hand movment`s, just a realisation that alot of techniques are un-economical and usless, so all the silly stuff is thrown out and what is left....WORKS.
Punching, Elbow strikes, kicking, kneeing and grappling, lets face it, any fight that last`s more then 10 seconds in the street, is going to the floor, so good grappling skill are needed.
Again though, be very careful when looking for this sort of mixed martial art, as most instructors have a bias towards one art, so you could get what is mostly Karate with a bit of jui justu thrown in.

Research is the key and If all else fails, Dedicated your life to to Martial Arts and study All of them and become the ULITMATE BADASS.
:roll:

Street fight goes to grappling in about 3 seconds i think is the average unless the two have skills.........its all well and good knowing all this and that and quite frankly alot of it is obsolete and will never be used.....unless u mix in bad circles and not many do..they like to think they do.!..train because you love it and you want to learn.

The martial arts is about discipline training the mind and body, learning repsect for yourself and others and after training for a long time you realise the futilty of violence and how dangerous it can be to get caught up in a scrape.....
Its the reason the traditional arts have lasted they teach more than street fighting ! they have core and content .....

Sure the martial arts are born from violence and your are taught how to fight, buts that so you dont have to fight....

when you have skills u can read a situation very well and remove yourself from it....thats the essence of self defence....

People often ask me " do you ever use your martial arts "...like its a button u can switch on or off......as most who have trained for awhile will agree its a reflex a
natural response..............its why we cant play fight....and dont wanna get into a scrap...cos sum1 will get hurt.....and thats not the goal of a Martial artist.............

wtf..i gone off again.......

Tony if u r still reading lol............................let me know what you think lol...............

Phil


:P

Could`nt agree more mate.
But I like to look at it like this.



:D

That's one thing I have learned....

"What's the best form of self-defence?"

Not getting yourself in a position where you need to use it in the first place.

and there nothing wrong with getting on ya toes and legging it, if you are out numbered or out gunned.

Nothing worse then laying in A&E thinking "*****, I should`ve run"

My only problem is, I hate running....:lol:

i love running if it prevents me or others getting hurt...........

" to know true peace one must be prepared for war "

" Someone Looking Trouble is no trouble for someone prepared for it "

the list goes on...........and no matter your training your experience violence hurts.............and gets you know where..

although at times i get the urge to walk down to the local youth haunts in the park where they smash the bottles and leave glass all over the playgorund where the little kids play ... and give em a lesson ..no dialogue just drop em flat spark the little shits out...............


but jeeeez it would be good........................but as the first bone crunched i know regret will follow.............then futilty then court then jail.............

And im not like that.......at time i wish i was..................

Phil

[Edited on 6-10-2005 by fil2]

Yes Master Sensei.


Thats why I never leave home without my Equipment. :lol:

master sensei...??? wow thanks im sure that is meant in the best possible way.............:P

nice to see sum1 still reads them comics ...............:D

I'm with Glyn in all this-I could take the lot of you before you got within 20ft of me-a .44 magnum will give this kind of confidence-and yes before you ask I have fired one, they're bloody hard to shoot straight cause they are dam heavy-hence the 20 foot comment.
I also studied Win Chun style of Kung Foo, but that was over 30 years ago-it was the fashion then..........but I was a pretty good(county standard) runner back then.:lol:

John

r u pleased to see me John or is that a magnum in your pocket.....................;)

Well .. lots of replies on this. I'm not looking to be the next ninja, or even compete for that matter. Although I say that now but tend to be a bit competitive sometimes .... I've done the Aus Army's version of the 'one armed wombat' course (unarmed combat) and that was interesting. We did some armed stuff too, but I doubt I'll have an entrenching tool handy if anyone ever jumps me in the high street (again).

I want the fitness, the discipline and a bit of knowledge.

I'm going to check out some local schools/gyms/etc and see what I can come up with and take it from there. Thanks for all your help :D

[Edited on 6-10-2005 by TP]