Desmojen and ZX10R
 

How good is it really..???

Im sooooooo tempted to get rid of the 748R and get a black ZX10R......................

will i regret it.......please help me.......................


ps

any1 wanna buy a 748r ...LOL

Phil

Think we've all been there Phil... probably a great faceless Japanese weapon, but no Duke.

Tim's answer will be along shortly...

Hmmmmmmmmm - let me think ;)
























- don't do it!!!!!!

Anyone want to buy Dallas's ZX10R

Fil, Fil, Fil, ;)

I havn't regretted it for a second mate, really.
The 10 is stupid fast, handles great and is easy to ride, but not so easy to be faceless as John puts it. It is a weapon, no two ways about it.
You being a rider of a high calibre will recognise the good in it more than some others might I think. I'm sure you'd cope better than I do at any rate!
Black rocks too, my mate just got one and it does look so nice.
The easy thing to do is take a test ride, or if you like we could meet up on a weekend and you can try mine, perhaps on an upcoming BHC meet.

I honestly don't regret losing flower, I thought I would but I am completely happy with the 10. (apart from the non brakes that is :o)

[Edited on 14-10-2005 by desmojen]

Dallas also has a few goodies for sale, Ohins shock, 16 1/2" Dymags with discs, race/trackday body kit, rearsets and a few other bits.

that would be grereat if i could sneak a ride.?.....there is a black one at my local dealer........................

Im sooooooooooooooooooooo tempted.....and with Kelly telling me if you want it get it.............the temptation is hard to resist...................

Phil

If you've got money to burn, I know where you should be spending it!!!! ;)

If getting the 10 means selling the Duc, i think you'll end up regreting it sooner or later.
But if you can keep the Duc, then go for it.

its one or the other im afraid.................i wish it was not and the choice would be easy

Phil

U2U sent Fil :)

fil2

you will not regret selling the duke at all for the zx10.


I changed from a 10 to a 749s and was very dissapointed to say the least and now i'm in the process of trading it in against a new all black gixxer1000k5!

Once you have ridden a bike like this there is no going back.

I suppose it all depends on how you get your enjoyment from biking- i think for a lot of ducati owners the pleasure is in the ownership of a nice looking bike with a racing pedigree but i for one get my thrills by how a bike rides and the feeling a get when i'm giving it some stick.

I test rode the gixxer on friday and it gave me such a buzz that, i swear, it took me hours to come down off the high the engine is awesome-stupendously quick, but every bit as impressive was the handling.

You should definitely get that test ride and then be prepared to part with the cash. i'm getting a really crap trade in with the 749s but i dont care, i just want to get back on a bike that takes my breath away each time i ride it! that for me is the essence of biking and not meeting with several other owners of the same bikes and admiring how shiny they are!!

Keep 'er lit

Mark

Thats why i've got an R1 too,

I love polishing and just looking on every available occation the 748R but which one do i prefer to ride??

Cant answer that as i still want to be part of this great club but..................
10 is a good number me thinks

I recently traded in my 916 for a 2005 R1 (but I'm keeping the SP3). I chose the R1 over a ZX10 mainly because it is a bit roomier, and I doubt I'd tell the difference in performance etc, they're both far better than I can really use! There's obviously a vast difference in performance, and they both handle well (to me), but in different ways if that makes sense. I basically bought the R1 because I had to get that performance thing out of my system, and I've no regrets at all so far. :sing:

Andrew

Thanks for the support guys, glad I'm not the only one! ;)

hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm trade in hear we come i think.....:( or is that..:roll:

Hmmmmm ...
 

Jap bikes are great - but they're not like the real thing. Can't get passionate about them :)

See i dont understand when you say they're not like the real thing???

These 'jap bikes' are the real thing- look at the developement that goes into these bikes and the money each of the manufacturers spend getting the latest technology from the racetrack to a bike that anyone, ie myself, can go and buy for less than 9grand- its simply awesome!! The japs spend millions upon millions racing bikes every year and this then filtered down to me on my latest gixxer1000-not the real deal-i dont think so!!!

But like i've said before it really depends what it is that gives you your passion for a bike and for me its the thrill i get when i'm riding it-the power, the handling, the balance (the wheelies lol) etc thats what does it for me!!

keep 'er lit

Ps did i mention the reliablity lol lol :sing:

All bikes are terrific fun whether they're Japanese, Italian or British...It's just that like most people on this site Ducatis do it for me.

We don't all sit around polishing 'em, I've got a bike because I want to ride it, and I ride it every chance I get. I've got several riding buddies that do the same, all on Ducatis, and we regularly clock up 250-300 miles a day on rideouts. We don't pootle round either, I like to think we ride responsibly through towns and villages but on the open road we ride as fast as anybody would want to ride. I can easily scare myself witless with 80-100 bhp so personally, I don't need to go any faster than my current bikes can go.

My bikes are still faster than me in the fast group on track days as well - even my ST2, and I've been round the outside of bigger Japanese bikes on that (haven't tracked the 888 yet).

I'm a long way from being the quickest rider about, and I'm no track god, so on the road and on the track, I'm the limitation not the bike, so I'm not sure what I would do with 160 bhp that I can't do with 100 bhp.

I wouldn't go around corners much quicker with extra horses - if at all because it's always on corner speed that I go past more powerful bikes anyway. I wouldn't get more drive out of corners with 160 bhp because I would have to feed in the power much more gingerly, so I can't think what I would do with the extra power other than wind it on down the straight bits and try to keep the front wheel on the deck.

I guess after R1's, Gixer Thou's and the like a 749 would feel tame to you, and maybe you're a much quicker and braver bloke than me. Maybe you've got a higher fear threshold and need the extra power to give you the same adrenalin rush that I get at lower speeds.

Who knows! It's just that Ducati's do it for me and Japanese bikes don't so much. It's not an elitist thing, both my bikes combined aren't worth as much as a new Gixer thou.

Well put that man.;)

When I was younger, all I craved was more and more power for my road bikes of the time. I wanted to go quicker and quicker.
The bikes I had were things like GPZ600Rs, GSXR1100Rs, NSR400Rs and ZXR750S. No slow coaches any of um.

The last Jap Bike I had before I got My Ducati 748 was an R1. That was a cool bike, really quick and had me hitting 160mph all the time!!:devil:

Thing is it just didnt float my boat and I had always wanted a Ducati 916 etc after having a TL1000s and falling in love with a V twim lump.

I now find that My 748 just does it for me. I have a bike that I can tinker with and modify when I want to, It looks the muts nuts, It is quicker that I am and I have found that it is so nice to have got away from the, " Must have next years model syndrome."

I didnt get my Ducati to be a posh sod??:lol: I got it because I have always liked the shape, the thought process behind the design, the V twin engine, the sound, the character and I have a bike that I can tinker and maintain my self.

Perhaps its just me growing up ( getting older) and being happy with the bike Ive got. I dunno. All I can say is that I still find the latest Jap bikes cool and the engineering is really mind blowing.
Its just that the power is, Im sad to say, getting to much perhaps? Maybe I am wrong but I know that all that on the road cannot be used.

Still wouldnt mind a go on the new GSXR1000K5!. Wouldnt want to pay for one though. They just dont do it for me any more.;)

DC.:burn:

[Edited on 20-10-2005 by DC]

phil, not wanted to teach you to suck eggs but have you been on a 140+bhp 998/999 varient yet?

my 999 has 146 bhp. and is absolutely amazing on the road and track its just too fast really. i personally wouldnt want any more. if anyone comes past me on the road they really are asking for trouble as i ride far too fast as it is!

welcome to have a go on mine anytime you fancy it.

i cant believe you will come back saying "yeah its ok but i could do with with abit more ommph!"

I have to agree to a large extent with Jools. I traded my 916 for a new R1 (partly because noone wanted to but the 916!). The Yamaha is a spectacularly fast bike, and the acceleration is unbelievable. I've only had it a few months, but already I can see that the attraction will wane, if for no other reason than licence preservation. I know the throttle works both ways, but the will-power needed not to open it up... Then I'm sure I'll go back to anothe Ducati (996SPS or R I expect).

Andrew

As a Ducati site, its no surprise that we favour Ducatis.

If you can afford it, have both, you can then get your fill by owning and riding both.

Those that can't afford both, can make a decision as to what they buy and ride.

For me, I went from a 996R to a ZX10R and back to a 996R again - my choice, it was right for me.

If you can afford it, buy what you want to buy, ride what you want to ride - just make sure you enjoy it.

Tim

These modern 1000cc IL4s can be evil things, I rode Dallas's ZX10R and after a few laps parked it as I felt it was going to bite me big time, I was not impressed. He has now seen the light and has got himself a 996SPS and has the ZX10R for sale. He pulled out of the Thruxton NG meeting after letting Whitham out on the ZX10 at Donny and after a few laps which weren't that fast Whitham also decided to park it as he thought it evil and advised Dallas not to race it at Thruxton or Catle Combe as he would end up getting seriously injured. And all this was with a top spec Ohlins shock fitted.
Whele also got bit by his new R1 which he had replaced his 996SPS with, hence his cast at the Apex trackday at Brands GP, he has since spent a fair few quid on having the suspension sorted.
So as I see it these latest offerings from Japan are not the be all and end off of motorbikes as the majority of riders can't make use of what they have to offer. The Isle of Man production TT is proof of this where international licence holders struggle to put in fast lap times. A case in point was in 2004 my mate Adrian on my ZXR400 lapped quicker than some riders on GSXR1000s.
Alos back at Pembrey the other week a guy I know who started racing at the same time as me lapped eight tenths quicker in his 1st race on his ZX10R than I did on my 583 Desmo Due racer.
I also notice that Phil Bevan has not bettered his Pembrey outright lap record set on his EX INS BSB Ducati dispite now being on a EX BSB GSXR1000.

If I was looking for a newer and faster bike I would have to test a 999S first and see if it offered me what I was looking for.

As mentioned above
Dallas has some ZX10R goodies for sale
http://www.ngroadracing.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1585

Besides an Aprilia Rsv-R, i have had 2 CBR's (the last one being the RR), 2 R6, 2 R1's (02 and 04).
Yeah, i liked all the Jap bikes i had, especially the CBR RR and, most of all, the 04 R1.
But they didn't last much as i currently have an MV F4 1000 and a 999R.
Yes the 04 R1 has more power than any of my current rides and is a great bike to ride BUT it's not all about power......... the handling, general feeling, character, noise etc... of either the MV or the Duc does it to me.

I know what fil2 is after though, I crave it sometimes too.

Just that outright feeling of adrenaline when you crack open the throttle and it feels like you just hit fast forward on the world. The absolute sensation of sheer speed. Imagine the first time on a new IL4 1000cc screaming down Park Straight at Cadwell, going over the rise and screaming in your helmet at the sheer insanity of the speed you're now doing and starting to panic seeing as your old braking marker simply won't do anymore, frantically searching for another!

:D

Ooh, I think I need a moment ....

I'm hoping my 998R will give me that, I plan on taking her to Cadwell next year :smug:

If it doesn't, I may need a lengthy chat with a certain Mr Neil Spalding ....

... and a new credit card ...

Dallas is selling ZX10R bits and buying bits like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

it's strange that you have a 750 and think the way to power is jap, I had a ZX12R before my 999s and the main difference is when you go past 150mph.
The 999 is quick in third, as quick as you can use but slows down after third which is 150mph but the ZX12R keeps going fast to 180 mph,
it would be nice for the 999 to keep the acceleration going hard past third but I will settle for that for now, think 999.
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