749R exhaust?
 

I've got the bike, an 04, got it 16 months ago. Now for a Termi 'system'...But which one? I can get a good discount on both the asymmetric and the full 57mm job. Big difference in price between those. A tuner here(oz) said another option would be a full 54mm for a 999s with a tuneable ecu. I checked out the price and this system is more expensive than the 749R 57 item! This is for the road, with the odd track session. Any thoughts?

get the 57mm leo vinci with a power commander, looks nicer than the termi

Haven't seen the Leo Vince but point taken. The discount on the Termi's though is too good to ignore.

I know where you can find Leo Vince's at great discount prices, but you'll have to import it from Italy.
If you want some info, u2u me.
For you, it might be worth checking.

I've got a 749R 04 also.

From all accounts the 57mm Termi gives better horsepower than the Leo Vinci.
As to looks, they don't really bother me and we stock both!!!

Depends what your looking for

Dunno if the Vinci comes with filters etc.:puzzled:

I would go with Termi and get a powercommander! (worked for me!!)

Martin:D

[Edited on 8-11-2005 by Martin Ducati Glasgow]

Martin, A few weeks back someone mentioned that there is some full system pipework available to convert the assymetric system to a full system using the original assymetric back box, do you know the part number and price for this and is it available now ?

It is in the new catalouge apparently.

Hmm, thats sounds wrong, given the size of the pipes difference at the entry into the box.

Its, strangely enough equal on the 57mm system at 57mm..............and assymetric on the assymetric system...ie unequal sizes!

;)

hereeeeeeeee we go- here we go-here we go-:roll:

Just as a direction, ive got a full 57mm on my 999r. I obtained a spare rear can and modified the inlets the same as the 57mm can. I can now just change the can over to do noisy/quiet t/days.

iang, I know nothing about that!?!:o
Just checked with our parts chap on that score, no parts listed.
Checked with Duc UK they don't know either!!! Sorry mate, someone is telling porkies I fear!!!

Like andyb I find it highly unlikely / impossible!

Not only is andyb right about the diameter of the backbox inlets (a restriction that you just can't get round without cutting it open!) but there is also nowhere for the additional pipe to route!

On the 54 / 57mm system the pipes are offset and the RHS foot peg is spaced to facilitate both pipes being shoe-horned in the cutout in the swingarm for the standard pipe.

Advice is this : -
If you want a few bhp, increased torque and that DUCATI sexy noise, fit the asymetric system.

If you are thinking of maximising BHP and are thinking of going further down the tuning route (or you just like having all the bells and whistles!) the 54 / 57mm is the place to start and looks the bogs dollocks!

Pipes and fuel injection is only the beginning of tuning. There is loads that can be done given a big enough budget!!

But if you are thinking a bit further down the line, start with a good exhaust system that will cope with what ever you do internally to the engine.

Lastly, ALWAYS get the CO's done, preferrably on a dyno, it's the only way to get it feeling crisp!

You know where I am if you wanna word!:burn:

Martin, how much are you guys doing the 57mm system for?

Sent you a u2u.

Its true,....but its for the 999S '05.
Pages 50/51 of the DP catalogue.
Part no.96445205B
'Transformation kit to change assymetric exhaust into complete 2-1-2 assembly with 54mm steel muffler,dedicated control unit and high efficiency air filters.'

:P:P:P

Picky of the " none existant kit " termi 05 999s , who knows wot it,ll fit
:puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

[Edited on 9-11-2005 by ace]

Yes, Thank you keefyB and Ace, Knew I was not going mad.

If the pipes fit the 999S they should also fit any other bike with the deep sump engine and new swinging arm, it will only be the ecu that would be of no use.

Usually the pipework can be bought separately so without the ecu it will not work out that expensive, cmon Martin do your homework :P

I would put the Leo vinci miles above the termi in both quality andf fit,sounds the mutts as well.
leo vinci gave 10 bhp increase over std when set up on dyno,far more than termis(termi quality seems to have taken a nose dive recently).
In my oppinion the LV looks far better than the trmi as well
Butch

OOOPS Your right iang,
just checked the ref in the catalogue!:puzzled:

Even called Duc UK on it yesterday specifically "to make sure!" before replying:)

They / me had never heard of it (never supplied one) and to be honest I didn't study the catalogue to check. Oh well, a lesson learned here.

The transformation kit is a shade off £950. I'm told the catalogue doesn't list separate parts, without spending a while on the phone I don't know if you can split it!
After you've bought asymetric plus conversion kit plus powercommander it's gonna be close to the price of a Termi / Leo Vinci 57mm anyway.

There is also the Termi availability that could be a serious issue. (haven't asked that question as yet, see previous threads!)

As to horsepower, just called JHP / Ducati Coventry and apparently both systems give "much of a muchness" with respect to power hikes!

Guess it's down to name / looks / finish. After doing my homework (this time:D) Sounds like butch may be right, the Leo Vinci 57mm is the (albeit a bit more costly) way to go!!

Anyone want a second hand Termi!!!!!:lol:

Martin

Note the steel muffler bit! turns out we could both be right? You do need to change the rear box! So what are you getting, everything except the front pipe? and a heavy steel back box?

Id go for the ti box/ steel pipe mix myself in 57mm!

I myself cannot justify the £2800 for the proper 749R termi system so that is why I bought the 749R assymetric system.

The weight difference between the s/steel and titanium back box makes no difference to me nor to the performance and for what difference the weight is will it 'really' make any difference to the bike ?

When I heard of this kit to convert to the full system I just thought that it might be a cheaper alternative to buying a full system especially so with me already having the back box, filters and ecu along with a pc3.
At £950 it is a ridiculous price without a back box but if it could be bought without the filters and ecu which are probably about £500 it could be worth going for especially with a bit of discount.

I know the assymetric system retails for about £1100 ( £850 with discount )but am unsure what the prices of the full systems are apart from the £2800 for the 749R version ( £2200 with discount ) which is way beyond what I would like to pay.

Are they cheaper in USA if the taxes can be avoided ?

But didnt you pay near a grand for the asymetric system originally? add that to the cost of the conversion kit = the price of buying the proper system in the first place?

I got my assymetric kit for £800 but would not pay the £950 for the conversion kit anyway, I was thinking if the pipework could be bought separately for say £400 the total cost would only be around £1200 which makes it much more affordable.

A member of this board sold a 2000 mile leo vinci recently for #1200 ,no brainer really.
Butch

I checked into the Leo Vinci site and couldn't find any photo's or the 749R system. At least need to see what they look like. I'm in Australia, so getting something from Italy is probably trickier for me than it would be from the UK.

Here's a pic of Butch's bike at this years BMF Show.
As you can see,he does'nt go in for bling!;):D
I think the system was origionally meant for a cast swingarm bike and JHP had to modify it to clear the new type.

Here's another pic,this time from the LeoVince website.
(Yes,I know its not a 749R!!)

Here's another pic

That's just what i need now. But i'm broke for the moment :(:(

if the leo system is much better (bhp)etc etc,can any one tell me why jhps 749r race bikes have termis fitted?:D

Thtas because of the bend angle where the frontpipe exits the front cylinder ,there is not enough clearance behind the kit oil cooler.
They have tried-believe me!
They have to weld the termi's after every practice or race!!!
Butch

That leo thingi is too big and ugly! Ducati = termi, end of!:D

So are you the eqivilent of the LV then Andy?:frog:
Butch

so what were saying is ? the termi 57mm system is more suited to a race system/set up & the leo is not built for the race system/set up. hummmm:cool:

[Edited on 10-11-2005 by pedro]

i take it the airwaves 999r have to weld also?

Thats a bit size.....ist!

Its not big and clever.............and thats not you either!:lol::lol:

You have to remember that the system fitted to the JHP bikes is nothing like the termi's you buy over the counter(i remember being told by on of Ohlin's top men that Ohlins are good compared to other road going shocks but there sublime if your names FOGERTY!) The ones fitted to Stuarts bikes are made especially for the job,Lanzi's 749r ran Leo vinci but with a standard oil cooler (which was found to be marginal-hence the change back to termi's the following year)
butch

for me its termis for a ducati, even the 748-998 series look, " strange" with arrow pipes on etc. the 749-999 look at home with termi,everything else just doesnt do it for me.:devil:

Andyb and Pedro are right......Termi on my 749R is giving 128bhp at the wheel?
and plod just thinks it came on the bike. The Leo Vinci (was'nt that one of the ninja turtles?) just looks sooooooooo after market. Ricki at Hackett's showed me the insides of the Vinci and it looks very well gas flowed/made indeed. But but but but it just looks to bling...........I like the engineered look of the Termi

I think the Leo Vinci looks excellent quality and finish compared to the termi, BUT for me all of these 'other' brands of exhaust just do not look right with that monstrosity that is the 749/999 rear light unit.

At least the Termi has a cutout for the rear light so it fits flush with the bottom of the exhaust while all the other brands just have the light unit hanging in mid air or hidden under some of the scaffolding that 99% of us remove anyway.

I also think that the Termi carbon cover looks just right for the bike.

I still like the Leo Vinci and the Racefit but not with the standard rear light, it looks too much like an afterthought.

Termignoni IS Ducati !

That must be some weird bend radius , the front pipe comes off the underside of the engine , the oil cooler is mounted directly under the radiator (on the kit too) , there's loads of clearance , the LV pipe would have to turn forwards in order to clash , sounds dodgy to me :rolleye:

"plod just thinks it came on the bike"...................er not this plod!:pig::D How many decibels?????????????:lol::lol: