Those lovely Safety Camera vans!!!
 

On the way out this eve down a dual carraige was doing above the limit but not silly fast, in the outside lane and the van was on the over side of the road in a lay by for parked cars.

Question is can he get me from that far away? it was about 7:15 pm so dark then not to badly lit though.

I always usually check the website to see if they are in the area im going but didn't today:o:o

I never would of thought they do it so late in the eve to:(

if it was dark im not sure how it works without a flash m8. i dont think you will have been picked up.... dont quote me tho

/ian

Yeah true it was dark some lights about but is a big dual carriage way with central reservation, there was quite a bit of traffic to. I just hope i wasn't singled out as they hear u coming etc

I already got a few points so i be shitting my self for the next 2 weeks:lol::devil::devil:

Was a thread only a couple of days ago about getting done by a van on the other side of a dual carriageway.

Yep My wife got caught on her SV doing 93 in a 70 and the van was on the other side of the dual carridge way :mad:


She is getting 3 points and £60.


so expect post within 14 days mate or fingers crossed that their line of sight got blocked by a car or something.


Good luck mate

age

I was sure that for it to be valid there are rules about the angle they can get you at. A car coming straight at them would require a different calculation from one targeted at a 20 degree angle away on the other side of the carriageway.

"Slippage" (where the point targeted on the vehicle moves and affects the reading) would also be more likely with a wider angle.

Perhaps one of the resident coppers on the board will come along and give us a view?

Burn em all,barstewards!!!!!!:flame:

Eeeek!! it was dark though but then I thought why would they be out if they cant take pics 3 hours after it got dark they must have infrared or night cams or something. There was steady traffic so maybe I was blocked (I hope!!!)

I already have ahem 6 so as Im pretty sure I wasn't doing more than 20mph than speed limit hopefully only be another 3 points, 6 will mean ban I guess and how long would it be? would I have to take test again?:o:o

Just how I got nicked recently while out in the car, dual carriageway with wide central reservation and the van on the opposite side. Didn't think they would be nicking vehicles on my side due to the difficulty in calculating errors with the angles involved but was proved wrong. Hope it didn't get you mate but don't rely on it.

I get increasingly pi**ed off with this total preoccupation with speed enforcement. Pity there wasn't a copper about yesterday as I was driving to Northampton on the busy A43 dual carriageway. Overtook a woman in a big estate car and wondered what she was playing about at, turned out she was totally engrossed in texting and didn't even look up when I drove along right by the side of her car in my 4x4 with the horn blaring for at least 100 yards. Now her driving was dangerous without any doubt but the likelihood of getting caught is minimal as there are so few police cars out there. Watched the antics of one police car (Volvo estate) in Towcester last evening as the driver tried to park up to get into the chip shop, what a laugh, all over the footpath then up the town to turn round and back to try and park on the opposite side of the road. Ended up going to the other chip shop and making another right horlicks of trying to park.

I beleive the current law is that if you get a ban within 6 months of passing your test then you have to retake your test. My bro-in-law is in that situation, only in a car. I assume it applies to bikes too.

The story about age's wife above was that when they asked for the photos and found 2 where the crosshairs had missed and the third where they only just got the edge of the plate. It's hard enough to get a clear shot on a bike as it is, if it's the other carriageway, in traffic and at night then I'd be surprised if they managed it.

Trouble is, if you contest it on grounds of slippage etc, then you go to court. Under the totting up procedue you'd probbly just get 3 points and a fine, whereas if you go to court they have the power to fine you a lot harder and ban you anyway. You take that risk.

[Edited on 10-11-2005 by HW]

Are you sure it was "safety" not ANPR.

There is only one place on the net to go for advice IMHO.

www.pepipoo.com

There is an absolute mass of information on there and if you have got the B*lls to do it you can make the law work to YOUR advantage.

Ray.

[Edited on 10-11-2005 by Ray]

Yep you see this every day on the way to work no traffic cops in sight. Cameras are just an easy way out. Speeding is probably about the only law breaking thing I will do in my life.

I hope as there was traffic they didn'y try me but then again they prob heard me coming and focused on me:o:o

Oh well only 13 days to go:D:D:D

Lee

You need to know if it was a Camera safety van or an ANPR van doing checks for tax etc.

Both these vans can read a number plate in dark conditions. They do not use a visible flash but use pulsed infrared and three different wave leanths to read a plate.

Henry - the legislation you're thinking of is the New Drivers Act.

This only applies for the FIRST drivin test you pass, be it car or bike.
Subsequent passes are dealt with as per normal totting up rules.

This affects you if you first passed your driving test on or after 1 June, 1997.

If you reach six or more penalty points within two years of passing your driving test (ie during the probationary period), the Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) will automatically revoke your driving licence when notified by a court or fixed penalty office.

To regain your full licence you must then:

obtain a provisional licence
drive as a learner
pass the theory and practical test again

Penalty points counting towards the total of six include any you incurred before passing the test, as long as the offence took place not more than three years before the latest penalty point offence.

Points imposed after the probationary period will also count if the offence was committed during that period. Passing the retest does not remove penalty points from your licence, and if the total reaches 12, you are liable to be disqualified by a court.

Thanks Guys i have had my license for a about 7 years now but if I get 12 then Im fooked:(:(

Bob Im pretty sure it was camera van, didn't see the name on side but was lwb transit with windows all round, and when I got home the safety camera webiste said they were on this A road that day.

I always check normally after my last 6 points but was a busy day etc and I never thought they would do it late in the eve.

Anyone wana buy a S4r!!:(:( only 6 months old

On a different note, does anyone know the situation if the cameras are deployed at sites other than those advertised. Recently around here I have noticed a speed camera van appearing on roads which have not been adertised as being targeted. I guess if you get done you'll get done on the basis that you were speeding anyway, but one of the conditions the use of "safety cameras" is that the locations must be advertised locally. As I see it if they then deploy the cameras elsewhere then they are in breach of these regulations.

The big signs you see shaped like a camera as you enter a force area, or indeeed a local area of that force tend to cover all that!

Are all your points for excess speed?

Can't say for definite for Scotland, but down here they can deploy to either the advertised "targetted" roads or to "complaint" sites where complaints have been made regarding excess speed by residents councillors etc.
I'm not sure of the exact time allowed but any camera setups involved in hypothecation ( paying for themselves by using revenue from fines ) can only allow a small percentage of time to be spent on complaint sites.

Yes they are Andy, why do you ask? I got the first 6 about 18 months ago for 52 in a 30 , and it wasn't a 30 by a school or anything nice biggish road with no houses near road etc. This was before the vans round here had more dayglow markings added:(:(

"nice biggish road with no houses near road etc." but it was a 30 limit?

I was tempted to go off on singing, "Your once, twice, three times..................." but ill resist, we dont know if this last one was a camera van yet!

My advise would be, Where ever there are posted limits 30.40.50.......even 60, you really need to keep to those post to post. In fact its quite a discipline to do it. In between, i wouldnt say GLF, but ride the road!
:o

If you rode the road outside of the posted limits to, dare i say an advanced standard, you would be glad of the posted limits to provide a little restbite. Im not saying your guard is dropped here, more that things are easier at a lower speed.


Before anyone goes off on one, i wouldnt even begin to try to try to lecture you. Those that understand me (difficult i know) will know where im coming from here.

If you do find yourself sitting on 9 points its got to be worth a try?

Yeah it was a 30 i was just trying to say it sohuldn't be but it is. One of those roads where everyone does 40 etc.

I do stick to limits up to 50 always. I know what your saying the law is the law etc.

Just fed up of these vans waiting to pounce, and there being no coppers around when you get taken out nearly every day by someone driving badly.

Like you say we will wait and see...............

"Just fed up of these vans waiting to pounce, and there being no coppers around when you get taken out nearly every day by someone driving badly."

Again not wishing to preech, but YOUR destiny is in YOUR hands!
Whilst planning for the speed limits, you should also be planning for all eventualities, including as you say those who are driving badly.

Complicated stuff this driving malarky.......no wonder they restrict the speed we do it at!

:lol::lol:

have you not read mcn? the powers what be have not tested any speed cameras on bike, all it will take is one biker to take it to crown court and at will open up the flood gates and will cost the powers that be allot of money,
so I will be surprise if there will take a risk with you till whey have sorted it all out,
I have know at least two bikers not to get done in the last three weeks,
I might be wrong, and I wont test my luck but I hope I, m right for you sake.
good luck,
:flame::burn::burn:

Hmmmm ok, I think my destiny it out of my hands when some twit takes me out whilst on their phone.

Im a safe and observant rider you only have to go to work during rush hour to see how many people in cars are half asleep in the morning. This in my eye is way more dangerous than me breaking the speed limit.

In other words its easier to catch people speeding than for carless/dangerous driving:(:(

[quote]Originally posted by bike mad
have you not read mcn? the powers what be have not tested any speed cameras on bike, all it will take is one biker to take it to crown court and at will open up the flood gates and will cost the powers that be allot of money,
so I will be surprise if there will take a risk with you till whey have sorted it all out,
I have know at least two bikers not to get done in the last three weeks,
I might be wrong, and I wont test my luck but I hope I, m right for you sake.
good luck,


Thanks yeah I did see this in Mcn lets hope they let me go by with the traffic as well might have been hard anyways to get me( I hope) :saint::saint:

"Hmmmm ok, I think my destiny it out of my hands when some twit takes me out whilst on their phone."

Im saying theres lots YOU can do to prevent any interaction between you and a twit.....observation, position, speed and so on.

"Im a safe and observant rider you only have to go to work during rush hour to see how many people in cars are half asleep in the morning. This in my eye is way more dangerous than me breaking the speed limit."

How am i expected to see when i travelling to work, im half asleep!

50+ in a posted 30 limit, safe?..................where did you say that camera van was again, observant?

"In other words its easier to catch people speeding than for carless/dangerous driving"

Er, in a word, yes!

Sorry, im playing a bit with you. The speed limits are there for the time being, whatever arguements we want to put up. I have learnt to stick to them.

I hate having to agree with a copper ;) but I'm with Andy on this, I "try" to stick to all the signed limits, but when I see that white circle with the black diagonal line I do GLF!!! Funny another copper told me that acronym too :lol:

I know what u mean Andy very true what u say unfortunately. I colud answer back but I wont :lol::lol::lol:

Lets see if I get anything first...... then all the toys will be thrown out!!!

If only you could translate that GLF to the track jon..........:lol::lol::lol:

Ya cheeky git!!! It's because they don't put the the national speed limit signs on tracks :P

"My advise would be, Where ever there are posted limits 30.40.50.......even 60, you really need to keep to those post to post. In fact its quite a discipline to do it. In between, I wouldnt say GLF, but ride the road!"

Funny thing is Andy, having been trained by your colleage's I always do that, and the 6 points I have were both in open road situations by scamera vans-first on a dual carridgeway and the second on a main road on a flat section 3 miles long, no turnings and very little traffic. Mind you they were both in the car, 81 in a 70 and 71 in a 60-that's life in Tony's paradise..................

John

[quote]Originally posted by Monty
"My advise would be, Where ever there are posted limits 30.40.50.......even 60, you really need to keep to those post to post. In fact its quite a discipline to do it. In between, I wouldnt say GLF, but ride the road!"

Funny thing is Andy, having been trained by your colleage's I always do that, and the 6 points I have were both in open road situations by scamera vans-first on a dual carridgeway and the second on a main road on a flat section 3 miles long, no turnings and very little traffic. Mind you they were both in the car, 81 in a 70 and 71 in a 60-that's life in Tony's paradise..................




Were you wearing your varifocals? :lol:

"Funny thing is Andy, having been trained by your colleage's "

Any way, hes gone off to be Paris Hiltons boyfriend!:lol::lol: