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phil_h 16-Nov-2005 13:11

I\'m technically not eligible to race 583\'s apparently ...
 
Just a wake up call to anyone else who :

1) ran a 675 last year (not a 583)
2) has some recent race experience
3) was hoping to 'just' put it back to 583 for next year

well technically you won't be eligible under the current regs.

If you wernt aware of this you need to talk to the mc asap.

DevilsAdvocate583 16-Nov-2005 13:15

:devil:

Ian 16-Nov-2005 13:22

Phil, my understanding is that this is still under revue, a decision has not been reached, - just checking this with the RC.

phil_h 16-Nov-2005 13:25

You see I tried the cheap 620 we bought at the brands td, and realised that the 620 engine could be worth the extra money cos it felt so much better then the 675, so hatched a cunning plan to try and find a way of running in both classes (old and modern ?) without taking all winter prepping yet another bike.
Checked with the mc that I was eligible for 583 cos I read the regs (!) but was reassured, so filled out a form to enter both classes.
I ended up buying rattler's, and took delivery at the w/end.
All sorted for 06 !!!?
I then got phone calls to 'slow me down' a bit.

ok - fair enough - if 583's are to be ring-fenced for novices, then I'm not eligible. whatever.

BUT - if I only had the bb - what was I expected to do next year ?
Was I (or whoever) expected to 'just' shell out the money (3k5) and 'just' change classes ?

AK 16-Nov-2005 13:28

Ian - is there now going to be changes to the 2006 rules then?

It would be great to get this all sorted out asap, to save others like Phil of having been possibly caught up....
:)

phil_h 16-Nov-2005 13:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
Phil, my understanding is that this is still under revue, a decision has not been reached, - just checking this with the RC.

Thats all fine and dandy, but rumours and partial-information fly around here so much that I want my 'cunning plan' out in the open.

What I *dont* want is for someone to complain they didnt know what I wanted to do.


What I also *dont* want is a bike sitting in my garage which I can't use next year when someone might be looking for one !
Know anyone who might like to buy a bike for next year's 583's ?


[Edited on 16-11-2005 by phil_h]

fil2 16-Nov-2005 13:29

i thought that was in the rules Phil for the 583 class

Novice license holders or have raced 583 at least twice in 2005.?.....

phil_h 16-Nov-2005 13:35

Quote:

Originally posted by fil2
i thought that was in the rules Phil for the 583 class

Novice license holders or have raced 583 at least twice in 2005.?.....

Quote:

Checked with the mc that I was eligible for 583 cos I read the regs (!) but was reassured, so filled out a form to enter both classes.

Scooter916 16-Nov-2005 13:36

HMM this one just goes on and on...............
I have been assured by chris on numerous occasions that I have a grid slot in the 583 class, If things keep on changing there will be no grid, is this all rumour or panic or what ??
Im sure Chris will be along shortly so calm things down.
Glyn#13

fil2 16-Nov-2005 13:37

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Originally posted by phil_h
Quote:

Originally posted by fil2
i thought that was in the rules Phil for the 583 class

Novice license holders or have raced 583 at least twice in 2005.?.....

Quote:

Checked with the mc that I was eligible for 583 cos I read the regs (!) but was reassured, so filled out a form to enter both classes.


if u rode a 675bb and are not a novice how can you be eligble.?................

phil_h 16-Nov-2005 13:44

Quote:

Originally posted by fil2
Quote:

Originally posted by phil_h
Quote:

Originally posted by fil2
i thought that was in the rules Phil for the 583 class

Novice license holders or have raced 583 at least twice in 2005.?.....

Quote:

Checked with the mc that I was eligible for 583 cos I read the regs (!) but was reassured, so filled out a form to enter both classes.


if u rode a 675bb and are not a novice how can you be eligble.?................

cos the regs *also* say 'at the management teams discretion'

Unfortunately I think this is being seen as a dreaded loophole, instead of a normal procedure.

I just want to make sure there is one clear story that everyone is interpreting the same way.


Almost forgot - I also dont want to spend money on a bike I wont be able to ride !!!!!!

[Edited on 16-11-2005 by phil_h]

Tonio600 16-Nov-2005 13:52

I think the MT must take the same decision for Dom and you. Even if you don't fit exactly in the rules, you were here last year to help that series get off the ground, and I'm sure everybody will agree that you must be part of the series this year, even in the 583 class if that's only what you can afford (that's more for Dom...).

I think the rules were designed to make this great series remind as good as it is (by not accepting trophy hunters) but not to get ride of this season's racers...

ChrisBushell 16-Nov-2005 13:53

Ok folks,

I have just had all of my phones going at once here and I am trying to do some work today!

I had already spoken with Phil on Monday evening and appraised him of what we were working on with regard to his application for entry to both Classes on two different bikes in 2006. I informed him that the Race Committee was looking at some clarification of the wording within the rules to make sure that there was no misunderstanding.

This is one of a number of "issues" that the Committee is having to look into at this time and I spent a couple of hours last night drafting a briefing/update note for riders hat once it is agreed we will be issuing shortly (probably early part of next week as Monty is away).

To answer Glyn's statement above, his entry for Class B has been accepted for 2006.

I have already U2Ud Phil to say that I will talk to him tonight and take this item forward, as at this time he has not been told that he cannot have an entry in Class B on a 2nd bike as far as I am concerned.

We will deal with these issues off line and update entrants in the next briefing note.


Chris

[Edited on 16-11-2005 by ChrisBushell]

Ian 16-Nov-2005 13:57

Thanks Chris,

Something that I have learnt this year is that you can’t please all the people all of the time, and certainly when looking at rules for racing there is no hope!

I should point out that I am not on the Racing Committee, which is made up of Monty, Chris and MW. Their process is to reach democratic decisions based on what is in the interest of the riders and the club. My understanding is that there are tweaks of the rules going on to try and please as many people as possible, - we will never please everybody! It is a very difficult thing to balance rider power with other outside responsibilities and factors. Most if not all other race series have rules published and riders decide at the point if they are going to join. There will be decisions made that some people will not like, I cannot think of a solution to that.

There are times when I think that we should take a firmer line on DD rules to give the riders a clearer picture, but when we do that we are criticized for being dictatorial or autocratic, it really is a no win situation and given that we are a club made up of volunteers who do have limited time I think the RC do extremely well.

phoenix n max 16-Nov-2005 16:25

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
it really is a no win situation and given that we are a club made up of volunteers who do have limited time I think the RC do extremely well.

Here here !


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