583 riders please read & comment
 

Right then folks, it would appear that there could be an opening for me to ride in DD next year but in Class B.

I cannot afford a 620 (see previous thread).

Now, I don't want to **** on anyone's chips, or have people upset coz "Dom is too experienced" etc etc

So, I am asking for the 583 riders opinions on this, as it will only affect you (or maybe not as my vast experience showed this season).

Basically, I have to let the RC know if I would like to be put forward to race in 583, and they will have the final say, but as I wouldn't be racing against them, I wanted your approval first.

I don't want people to say "Yeah, come and do 583" and then get arsey if I do well. So be honest!!

I'll happily do CB500 without upsetting any 'novices' and with no hard feelings.

Well, I'll vote for you, and I *know* you'll whup *my* arse in every race.
Bring it on ;)

(Old mouthy git sticking up for young mouthy git)

Dom its a difficult line this one

eligiblity is novice or must have competed 583 in at least 2 races this year, so the current rules read.
This would entitle Andy J to ride in the class, the way those rules are worded, as he raced snot as a 583 for both the races at the first meeting. wasnt yours a 675 then 620?

However, we (Andy, ck & i) feel that is unfair to current competitors in that class to have someone with lots of race experience (albeit very rusty from quite a while ago), so Andy is staying 620 for next season.

Will call my son-in-law paul who is riding snot in583 next year to see what he thinks as a complet rookie rider in the 583 class


Alan

[Edited on 13-11-2005 by CK and AK]

Dom it would be great to see you on a 583, I would expect you, Paul P and Phil out of those I knowto set the bench mark for me to aim at, bit like this year really.
Geoffs bench mark was a bit unrealistic for me on a 583 with him on a 620, I know there are riders out there that would have gone faster than me on a 583 so as I'm in it to improve my riding it will help to have a few faster riders ahead of me out on track, especially if there is room on the grid.

Kev

Well said. I agree completely.

I think there are a few others that would like to have raced 583 next year as well. I know I would have been happier spending £1500 on a bike and not considerably more than that but the rules are set to encourage novices and new racers into the 583 class. So any of us with a bit of race experience have to accept the rules for what they are.

As I'm not a 583 rider I can add my brothers opinion and he would be happier racing as a complete novice and not against experienced racers.

The series was set up to encourage DSC members to experience racing, lets not forget this point and the likes of Lin to name but one who showed the way by lining up on her 583 on the same grid as Geoff and the DLS guys to name just a few on there sorted 620s.
If we went on the entry requirements that were decided upon at this years meeting following the AGM then I doubt we would have enough for two grids.
I may not be Dom's biggest fan but I was impressed by his attitude this year and his willingness to intergrate into the DSC membership and I would rather he put another bike on one of our grids than a non DSC grid.

Kev

Are you going to make up you mind which bloody class you're in then?

good p o v Kev:cool:

C

(point of view:P )

I'm not Valentino Rossi you know...

The 'race experience' I have doesn't count for very much in my opinion. Even I have found that out and I'm sure Kev (my biggest fan really) would agree - I think the 'modern' addiction of trackdays has led to everyone being fast!

I think I am a victim of a lot of hype and spin prior to this season, and whilst I am not totally innocent of being 'over confident' of my ability, I have been perceived as some top British racer who's been racing non-stop for 8 years.

I have done 25 race meetings EVER before this year (20 of which were in '97, '98 & '99). That's over 6 years ago!!

I finished 14th in the Desmo Due championship this year, and my best result was 10th!! (before the Tango Queen).

Now, nobody has a problem with Skids racing in 583, and he's vastly more experienced than me. Fil2 comprehensively kicked my arse this year and finished 3rd overall, but nobody is worried about that. Paul Payne has raced before (not much I'll agree), and even Phil_h has raced classics for a bit.

All the 'novices' have done 11 DD races this year (more if you did SoT etc) and prior to 2005 I had done 36 actual races (CB500 were only 1 per weekend) at 25 race meetings.

Some people have done more than 36 trackdays, which is massively more tracktime than even I've had!!

I haven't ridden on the road since August 2003 when I had a ZX7R for 2 months, and before that my previous road bike was a 900SS which I sold in 1997 to go racing - so I don't even ride a bike on the road and haven't done for virtually 8 years.

I have a national race licence purely because I wanted to do the TT back in 1998 - which I never did.

Can someone tell me how experienced you have to be before you are too experienced for Desmo Due?

Or if I trundled around at the back - would anyone care less? I don't think they would.

I think we're getting close to becoming elitist rather than keeping focus on the original idea - which was for DSC members to race in their own series - wasn't it?

I'm a DSC member, I'm fairly active on the forum and would be more active within DSC if I could afford a road bike and attend ride-outs and shows etc - but because I don't have plenty of cash to buy a 620, I may be forced to leave the championship I supported all year, and go race elsewhere.

...at the same time, I don't want to upset anyone.

If I didn't give a crap, then I would have made a convincing case to the RC and may have just turned up at the first race next year in 583.

That's not my style. I'm transparent and don't bullshite people. That's why I asked you lot first.

:P

Thanks dude. You can be my new 'biggest fan' :lol:

...and another thing!!
 

I think I'll only see opposition from people at the front of the race - and it's because they want to win too.

I'm no trophy hunter, but I still want to win trophies.

Surely everyone would like to?

So are we all trophy hunters?

DD is going mad. It's not MotoGP and some people need to get a reality check.

If you can't afford a 620, then you can't race in Desmo Due - what sort of club is that?

What about the top 3 moving on?

What if you can't afford to?

It's all a bit out of hand if you ask me.

You'll end up banning anyone who finishes in the top 10 - just to 'give others a chance' - You're all mad!

Mad I tell you!!!

:sing:

Bad day Dom?:lol:
Butch

I think you should just shut up and line up!!! ;)

- as long as you're not wearing that BananaMan outfit!!! ;)

Amen my brother!

What's wrong with yellow? :cool:

everything:lol::lol::lol:

Dom
Are you sure its for the right reasons?? or do you just want to get your grubby paws on the top prize of a branny scooter.....LOL,
On a more serious note, My veiws are the more the merrier so get yourself on a well detuned uncompetetive 583 with square wheels and enjoy.
Hope to see you out there.
Glyn:burn:

Dom, son-in-law Paul#39, says he "dont care"

just go & get some more 'muted' coloured leathers...... :P

Dose this meen I could do 583 instead of having to race with that nasty TP


:P

Ooh, I forgot about that. Well the runner-up can have that ;)

The reasons for doing 583 is purely a cost issue. I had a couple of 'possible' rides for 620, but they were only outside chances anyway and they're unavailable now, so I was set on racing a CB500.

Then, the (positive) reaction of some DD riders, plus an email from Chris Bushell, made me think twice - but I don't want to tread on toes, coz I think I annoy enough people as it is.

:)

That's cool, but the leathers stay!! :o

:D

I think you should save yourself a shedload of hassle and cash - and just ride yer minter as it is.

TP falls off too much, so he's no competition anyway ;)

:lol:

Just come in from the garage (anyone got some 583 carbs going cheap). Any followed the racing all this year and can't see what the problem is, the more bikes on the grid the better.

Yeh but we're talking about Dom here - and he's a tw@ ;)

andy i have a set that I bought from paul payne earlier this year, I think it was £25 if you want em they are yours.
Glyn

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Another one for my fan club ;)

He don't scare me he can't walk yet let alone ride

:lol:

It's somthing to build over the winter,

Did you have a 620 in your bike at the end of last year?

We had a 620 in from Castle Combe (Rnd 2) onwards!!

...but, I don't think the transplant with bits out of boxes (everything) worked as it should have, coz the Tango Queen felt like a 748 in comparison.

Go figure :puzzled:

umm that makes it sound like hard work, I do fancy a go at it though :)

I think AK managed to do it alright.

Louigi did it using 'bits & pieces' lying around :lol:

620 engine (with holes in) + 750ie injectors (same as 620) + loom off of something else + no airbox + cdi from sumfing else again etc etc

It was done with stuff Rich already had in his second-hand parts section, coz neither of us had the cash to do it 'expensively'. I honestly feel there must be something not 100% right in the recipe used, coz it wasn't down on power coz Rich is stupid. His other bikes are tip top kit. It just didn't work out.

I would think if you can find a 620 and all the 620 bits to go with it, it should be alright.

...but you may as well buy a 620 or race the 583.

[Edited on 13-11-2005 by domski]

I don't want to ride a moster, well not that kind of monster anyway

so your left with buying a 620 spot if you can find one, for what £3000 to £3500 grand and still having to do the suspension brakes bodywork well every thing.

so let's say £5000 total

I think I can get it up to scratch for less than that. Is there any advantage from starting with the later bike? apart from the fact that the engine and associated bits and peaces are on it. still got to spend the time seting it up to get the best from it? I don't know I am still trying to way it up ?

It's a bit like buying a 748 and fitting a 916 engine... why not just buy the 916 in the first place?

If you can save some wedge, then that makes sense I suppose, all depends on how easy it is to do and if you have plenty of spare time over xmas.

;)

dom

let me no who put you up to going yellow and will give em a slap for ya :lol::lol::lol:

I'm not talking to you anymore :lol::lol::lol:

It was me, Yellow ROCKS

How about a DD bike in undercoat?

We didn't have one this year did we?

Don't forget I could sell the six hundred lump and associated bits

Keeping the 620 costs down then go for nice bits ells wear

I am probably wrong but I think spending the money on the suspension exhaust, power commander and Dino time. followed buy some hypnotherapy for me will be the best way to spend the budget :o

So if its going to be a 620 motor how much more does it cost for a 6 speed one.