749BP v 749s
 

I am currently looking at trading in my 748BP for a used 749. the thing is i'm unsure whether to go for a BP or the S, is there a noticable difference in power/torque between the two or are they pretty much the same...?

I know the S on paper is more powerfull but wondered how that translates when riding the actual bike. Also will I notice a difference in power/torque compared to my 748BP.

Also I currently have a PCIII on my 748 will this work on the 749 if I fit termi exhuast...?

749r is the weapon of choice !!

not sure about the bip / s debate..pretty sure within a few hours you will have a better idea

don't think you can use 748 pc for 749..
i know the 749 and 999 are interchangeable..:rolleye::rolleye::burn:

PC111 for a 749 is a 715-411 and the one you should have on the 748 is 704-411 so no it will not work on a 749.

Did they stop doing the 749s as a bip then? I have a 2003 749s bip so you can have both. in that year, the 's' had TiN forks, not sure if much else. From 2004 though (as I have just been RELIABLY informed today) the 749s shared the valve retaining mechanism with the 749R. That means a much longer (read: expensive) service if clearances need adjusting. The 749 from 2004 doesn't have that. Kinda puts me off trading up to a later 749s, even though there was a load of engine mods to give a power hike in 2004.

a 999 gives a good power hike as well !! :rolleye:

would like a 999 but dont have the buget for it!

So pre 2004 749s and 749BP have the same engine. I thought the S was 116bhp and bp 108bhp...?

There was a 749 (cooking version) and a 749S. Both were available in biposto if you wished, I know that because I have a 749S bip and my mate has a 749 bip. I BELEIVE the 749 and 749S had the same engine that year, but I am not certain of that.

Here goes:

The 749 was launched in 2003. There were two models regular 749 and 749S. The engine was the same in both bikes. Both were available in monoposto or biposto format. Red and yellow. The 749S had higher spec suspension which was a Showa shock in place of the Sachs on the regular 749 and Titanium Nitrided forks. I think the forks themselves are a different spec as well.

In 2004 the 749 Dark was launched. Only available in biposto and matt black format. Same engine and chassis as the regular 749 but no steering damper. The 749S got a power hike via engine mods as mentioned above. The regular 749 was unchanged. The 749R was launched with full carbon fairing, full Ohlins, R spec swingarm, top spec motor etc.

In 2005 all models received the new fairing style with no upper vents. The 749 Dark was otherwise unchanged. The regular 749 is only available in biposto format and it got the swingarm style from the R models. The red bikes got black wheels and red frames. Yellow bikes stayed with silver frames and wheels. The 749S gets the fairing, swingarm and frame colour changes too and is now only available in red as a monoposto, or red and yellow as a biposto. The 749R loses its carbon fairing.

There you go - clear as mud!

I have an '04 749S and the power difference between the Dark and regular 749 models I'm told is fairly small. I haven't ridden the lesser models so I can't comment from experience. I bought the 749S for the upgraded suspension, which to me is the most important thing on a road bike rather than outright power.

[Edited on 8-12-2005 by Twinfan]

The other difference is the 749s has the ajustable footrests

NIce and concise Twinfan!

The adjustable seat/tank position was ONLY on the monoposto versions, the biposto being set to about the mid position.

I thought that the adjsutable footpegs were on all of them, but I'll not swear to that.

I agree that there are more important things than bhp on the road. I downsized from the 996 motor of the ST4s to the 749S and have been very happy with it Suspension upgrades were of more importance to me too.

[Edited on 8-12-2005 by HW]

Thanks HW :)

And you're correct - adjustable footrests are on all models, and adjustable tank/seat on all monopostos.

Note - R models do not have the same adjustability on the footpegs as other models (there is some, but not as many options as other models), something I spotted a while back

Oh right ... that was one of the selling points of the 749 that interested me. Being a lanky blighter I wanted to be able to adjust the position. I traded adjusting the seat position for having a biposto, as I found that suited me anyway as it was.

Footpeg brackets are not mounted on an array of holes then Ian?

B***er. :(

I notice that your frame has the round lower mounting that you are using for the stand? Steve's has that on his 749 which I had been puzzled about. Hadn't noticed the lack of holes on the pegs though.

I see you have good taste in clutch covers too! :)

Excellent thank you all for your comments! I might go for the BP as I will upgrade the suspension to ohlins rear and front springs at some point anyway as I did this mod on my 748 and it handles so much better. Plus I have found insurance to be cheaper on the bp than the s.

You might find the suspension to be fine if you get it set up right. I paid 100% Suspension £40 at a track day to set mine up and it was ike riding a different bike after. Best £40 I ever spent I reckon. Still grinning about it now! :D

[Edited on 8-12-2005 by HW]

Just to confirm (and add my 2 penneth worth)

Base model 749 has standard fork legs, fixed foot pegs, no damper (not sure on this one), fixed angle on steering. S model has the adjustable peg's, Nitride fork legs, adjustable steering angle, damper and better suspension all round.

As for the engine I thought the S model had a little more power over the base model .... but not that noticable.

Sorry I got the footpegs wrong - I thought they were all adjustable...

DOH! Go and stand in the virtual corner :lol: