Fork Internals ?
 

Recommendations for internal springs weights etc- types etc on standard Marzocchi's.
Need to change the new bikes so whats everyone using and opinions please ?

Ta.

Dunno yet but I've been asking a lot of questions so when I get an answer if no one else has I'll put it here.

I'll also ask if anyone knows of anybody that can modify the forks to take a proper cartridge kit ? K-tech have said they can't do it so any ideas ?

My idea is to chuck in some single rate springs and then get out and race it.

What rate tho Kev ?

No secret Lin all posted here
http://217.199.188.40/xmb/viewthread...7036#pid263149

Traxion dynamics do a cartridge kit but its way too pricey....
Glyn

Cartridge can be done But your looking at £500 for the full fork job :o

:)

and what are the benifits in doing that.......geoffs bike won the championship without them...?? are they really worth 500 quid.?

:puzzled:

No I did,nt think so and if Geoff can do it so can I :lol:

Did it ? :o:o

Suspension is a very personal thing, just cos one person likes it one way doesn't mean another will like it the same way, if that was the case all bikes would come perfectly set up for everyone ;) ;)

Maxton also do a full cartridge cpnversion for around £350 :)

well if you are looking for a conversion then it did...:puzzled:.....

what are the benifits of it.........and worth 350 quid.? ..:puzzled:

Is that for the hole job inc new springs seals oil and labour?

I guess if a person can ride a bike to say 80% of it's limit then by having a bike that's limits are higher you will go quicker because of it even tho you can't rech the limits.

On a hornet track bike I had I had a cartridge conversion done and the diffreence was amazing. I can only assume this will also be the same ?

I would like to try it tho before and for this reason I won't be having mine done, I can however understand the basics....

Eric yeh I think that was the whole lot :)

Geoff's style was very smooth and he didn't really brake that hard (how the f*** does he do it ...) so I doubt he'd really tax the suspension a lot and could afford to run something a little softer? I realise there's more to it than that ..

I ended up with quite heavy springs in the forks because I'm a FB, I brake quite hard and late, and I'm not smooth enough moving around the bike. It worked for me and helped me get the best out of the bike.

fil2 - mate you're quite smooth on the bike as well so I can imagine that you may not necessarily get the same benefit out of that investment.

It's not apples with apples though.

Suspension is the one thing we can change so I'm surprised people are finding it difficult to understand, sorted suspension will get you more time than any exhaust/dynoet and set up yet everyone has that done ?
Priorities wrong maybe ?

ok...but i still dont understand what it actually does.?

It goes up and down :D

Ahh cheers Kev - must have missed it - again!

Tony, A nice paint job is the main priority,everyone knows that don,t they.....it is .....int it.......no......oh.....:puzzled:

Right - been reading through other thread and got the gist of it now - again!
I have progressive hyperpro's from a 900 in Max with a spacer made up by Alan Shirley and (apart from Castle but my fault) they have performed without fault given i'm not racing that hard.
Suspect a single rate set for the other bike then as i'm sure it will get more stick from it's riders.
Thanks for the link (must have been on another planet again when that was posted) :puzzled:

Not for us, its the one thing that was done before anything else on the Snot, Tango has just been fettled too, to the same levels.

C

right...but what does the upgrade acheive..what is done..?.i dont understand.....

seems to me no-one else does lol....

Suspenders are a very important issue oh yes.

My suspension man said he has had his drill out on mine:

I know nothing about suspension but I do know that the damping on mine
was very wrong.

The cartridge would give you easy adjust on the day and they say make the forks work better.

If you have the cartridge you can ride like Geoff ie smooth or like TP, rabid dog with the same set of forks. or anywear in the middle of the Two.
gives you something to play with were as with the others being a one set up deal. that's how i see it anyway :cool:

Arooooooo!! Woof!!

:P

:alien:

So do people not work out how bad their suspension is and what actually needs doing to improve it before chucking loads of money at it.
Yes there are some basics that need to be addressed in my opinion but considering the power/weight/speed/tyres used it may not be best to spend all your hard earned in one area.
Yes good suspension is required, as is good throttle response and engine pick-up, also required is brakes that suit your style of riding.
Assess the short comings of your own race bike with relation to your riding style and level of ability and then see how these short comings can be improved upon. £500 can buy a few different things such as :_
Cartidge fork conversion
Top Spec rear shock
Track time/ tuition
improved brakes
more sets of tyres
Dynojet kit/power commander with K&N and Dyno setup
Spares to get you out again after a spill in either practice or race one

It does depend on the size of your race budget, if its endless take ithe bike to Baines or a like with a open check, if its limited try and work out how to invest it wisely.

[Edited on 14-12-2005 by skidlids]

On saturday we are doing static set up.

I told him I would like a smooth riding Dog handler set up :devil:

Ha! Best you try and bring that dog-handling to the track.

You'll have your hands full ;)

WOOF!

wise words Kev......................................

:)

That's what I thought.

I did the front and rear suspention and a power commander
rather than all on the fanncy forks :)

Stay :P

Oi!! That's MY line :o

Ok, ok.... lets go back to basics! The ideal setup for a front fork is (in theory) when it uses 99% of it's available travel over the course of a race.

This isn't quite true, because you may want it to go 100%, and hit the lock stops, in a couple of places if they're braking in a straight line (the tyre will then act as suspension). This may give you a better setup for the rest of the track.

The worst case scenario is when the combined suspension travel provided by the forks and the tyre is exceeded. This is when the tyre loses traction and you slide (me @ Quarry).

So the ideal setup is one where the compression damping is perfect for the place on the track where you want the most travel to be used, and where the rebound damping is set to return the bike to normal without pogoing off down the road!

Unfortunately we don't have damping adjustment, but a kit may make it easier to adjust than the standard setup, and may get you closer to an 'allround' setup to begin with.

Is it worth it? If it'd saved me from my broken collarbone I'd have happily paid £1k.

My 2p.

Ali

Ali I didn't realise you lost the front in your crash,

Then again if anybody got injured on cold tyres then they could spend a extra £1k towards entering Minitwins and race on sticiker tyres with warmers.
All about assesing your own bike against what you are trying to do with it.

Lost it? It just bloody disappeared on me! Marshals found some liquid on the track where it'd gone awol, but I'm not convinced it wasn't just overenthusiasm as the track cooled quickly at the end of a sunny autumn day.

Ali, I doubt if any amount of money spent on your forks would be the answer, from what I've seen as you hurtle by me I would say your pushing the tyres to the limit of adhesion and you would no doubt benifit from grippier tyres, but even they will be affected by track and climatic conditions.
Be interesting if you do a TP in 2006 and fit some grippy tyres and enter Minitwins to see what difference it makes to your lap times.

I had a Hornet too, and the fork job made a hell of a difference. But that's a different bike, and IMHO the standard ducati forks are way better than the H*nda ones.

If you are of average weight then I reckon its an oil change and spend the money elsewhere.....HANG ON, you are the competition - now I say spend the money on a fork kit and don't bother with new tyres or any petrol :lol:

The hornet forks are of a better internal design than the ducati ones albeit they had softer springs. i was amazed by the difference with proper internals.

So rather than all this speculation who has got cartridge internals and was it worth it ?