Can you/anyone beat Spencer ?
 

I'm just wondering what all you boys think ?

it does seem to me that several think Spencer is untouchable ....

I can - it's merely down to using the appropriate baseball bat.

Who?

He was beaten last season.


The ones who won't beat him.

Everyone is beatable. I think I proved that last season :lol:

No matter how good and fast you are, there will always be someone faster - That the way of life.

But that doesn't answer my Qn....

Ok, Who do you think will beat him ?

Will it be you ?

(not directed to Dom, but the general masses)

Beat in one race or overall in the championship.?

So you cant beat Geoff in a race tony.?

Everyone is beatable - you must know that more than most ;)

Both really PHil...

1 race or a championship. Try to forget about 'breakdowns' or 'crashes' obviously everyone is a possibility of that. But i mean in a 1-1 battle or even a 5-1 battle.

Weeksy, what do you think??

Oh you want a serious answer!

Everyone is beatable at some point or another. And every dog has his day.

To be honest mate, based on last year and based on who i 'know' who's entering (only couch really) then i'd have to say No, i don't think any of you lot can/will beat him given the above criteria.

I'm certainly hoping he's pushed a little more this season purely from a spectator perspective.

I could!:D

I was right up his chuff at the trackday last year at Cadwell for 2 laps:smug:

go on Geoff - back me up mate!:D:D:D

I think there are plenty of people who think they can beat Geoff, otherwise, what's the point?

This aint a precession. Geoff just happens to be a good rider on a good bike.

There will be more good riders on good bikes this year.

Whatever, it's gunna be exciting and VERY fierce at the front - Even for GS.

I know I can beat him, but I'm the only one brave enough to admit it, and you lot humor me, but I have faith in my ability and so do people who know me and know what they're on about.

there's nowt wrong with self belief IMO... i had a LOT of it, however misguided in the past, personally i feel you have to think you can do it at least until the light go out and they **** off into the distance :)

plenty, well... 1 up to now fella. You.

well I think Fast Freddie was one of the best racers ever. :roll:

And yes somebody could beat Geoff, and I would be surprised if Geoff himself did not think that, - but who am I to say, - much prefer the racers to do their talking on the track not the messageboard and that is why I have nothing but respect for Geoff; he came up with the goods when it was required, - and he is great to watch in action.

He has already proven to be the fastest of last year DD riders. He never crashes and he doesn't say a word. I think some of you can beat him on one day, but not on the whole season.

Let's see what the newcomers can bring to the game and what all the Biaggis (me included :lol: ) can do with their 2006 bike...

[Edité le 10-2-2006 par Tonio600]

Can he be beaten..? Come on boys..hes not a bloody cyborg ! - hes just another (albeit very talented) rider.

I watched Geoff a few times last year and hes a very smooth/consistent/tidy rider, who seemed to know the tracks very well (the latter being critical at this level of racing I guess).

That said - and Im not going to blow smoke up peoples backsides by naming names!!:P) - but I was also impressed by the level of riding and more importantly commitment/effort a few of the other riders showed last year.

When you factor in all important extra (DD) circuit experience you now have, then the gap should have naturally narrowed between Geoff and the 4 or 5 places behind him.

I guess the minute you start asking yourself if you could beat someone is the day to hang up your Arai...I suppose the best approach is just to consantly strive to improve on your own riding and the gap will naturally diminish ..wether you in 2nd place, or in 10th place.

So come on gwasshoppers...pull your fingers out and I look forward to watching your progress...:D

Nat

he's a superb rider, but beatable for sure. he was; and will be again; on a well set up bike, and he has lots of race experience. the gap will close all the time. how will he cope with a few others challenging? last season was relatively easy for him and he clearly had some in reserve but the pack are closing fast.

i bet he don't win at assen.

I'm gonna beat the lot of ya :P

If not this year in the 583 class then next year in the 620's ;)

i could!
but you all know that already;)

Of course GS is beatable, but not by anyone currently in DD, (Well nobody I know), unless there is someone coming in this year.

From the races I watched and those that I heard about, Geoff hasn't actually RACED yet, to him, he's led out the Intermediate group for the sighting laps on a trackday.

In this series, he's unproven at being put under real pressure. At the race at Donny, I watched second placed person, think it was Marc Potter, put him under some pressure, but then Geoff seemed to be able to put 20m on him in a lap, just as Marc got close, Geoff looked over his shoulder as if to say, 'too close mate' and upped the pace. I'm pretty sure he's been doing just enough to win and has probably never actaully had his 'race' head on. What would he be like with 4 or 5 guys around him at every corner? Up until now he has been exceptionally smooth, but that's not always possible when someone is diving under you on the brakes and nicking your line. I've heard from others that have raced with him in the past that he will up his game when challenged.

I do hope that for the sake of the championship, someone can give him a hard time, but I foresee him winning pretty much every race.

In saying that, all the novice racers are a season wiser which could count for something and many bikes may be a bit better prepared, so both of these might be worth a second a lap....still not enough to get close to Geoff.

Unless there is someone who is learning and developing as every week goes by, ie taking tenths and seconds off their times and going up the field at each meeting, then the rest of the pack will pretty much stay as they are, with a small percentage change in their times. There will be not much significant change in the order of the championship from 2005 to 2006. One exception will be Domski.

Who's in 583? Are you still there Phil or did I read you have bought a 620. If Phil is in 583, I reckon he'll win it fairly easily, if in 620, he may push Geoff if at the top of his game. I'd love to be proved wrong mind you, just cause I like the underdog. The biggest surprise last year to me was the lack of form from Domski, who, having known his CB500 times and comparing them to my own and people who won the CB5 Cup, I thought he'd be right up there winning races - he may well win a few if he's on a better bike this year and his heads in the right place.

As for hanging up your Arai or self belief being a factor to give up trying.....trust me, the guys from mid pack down will NEVER win a race, we an't all be winners, so why do they do it? All the right reasons like adreniline, fun, mates, hobby, beat the guys racing around them etc. You don't think the guys at the back of the MotoGP grid REALLY think they have a chance of beating Rossi? No. They simply don't have the skill or the bike. Sure have goals, but don't confuse them with deluded dreams. IMHO;);)

WeeJohnyB

So he's not going to Assen then???

Firstly apologies to Geoff for having to put up with being discussed like this, I'm sure it'll do your self-esteem no harm...

Secondly I doubt Geoff was pushed very hard in the majority of races, but there were a couple where I could have sworn he broke a sweat!

Based on Snet:

Best lap
GS: 1:21.64
AB: 1:24.72

Behind at finish: 27 secs over 30mins

Best lap
GS: 1:41.69
AB: 1:43.59

Behind at finish: 14.9 secs over 15mins


Working on the basis that the 11-13bhp difference (I know that mine was putting out 51.5) is worth 1.5-2 secs/lap then it looks kind of acheivable based on the absolute figures.

Unfortunately racing at our level is no more connected to figures than it is to horoscopes. Racecraft counts for much, as does aggression, and decent nights sleep before. MotoGP boys deal in thous, we deal in getting round the corner without falling off (not my best feature).

So the answer is as per everyone else. Yes, every dog has his day, but I'd put £20 on Boggy taking the championship.

Ali

Maybe i'm a bit naughty asking this - but if the differential is that big...why do you think Geoff has come back to DD and not revisited other series...just curious ?

Surely its not much fun having that much in reserve and winning week in, week out..? :puzzled:

nice posts lads :) interesting thoughts from a 'spectator' point of view.

i wondered that more than once myself fella.

Ummm, why? I know I'm exceptional, but in what sense?


Believe me, you weren't the only one who was surprised!!!!!

But, like you say, Form is temporary - Quality is permanant, or sumfing.

I'm not saying I'll win this season, but I think I have a much much better chance. As the year goes on and I get back into the swing of things, I'll be getting thinner and fitter and faster. I'll be on for a win as long as the final round isn't at Cad.... Oh shiiiiite!!

:lol:

Like Ali I reckon having a 620 was probably worth 1.5 secs over a 675 when ridden properly and that a 675 was probably worth the best part of 1.5 secs over a 583.
We had a couple of very good riders on 675s who did there best to take on many of the 620s but I feel Geoff was that little bit futher ahead and wasn't going to be caught by anyone other than maybe Clint.
I'm not going to be able to beat Geoff no matter what I'm on, back in 2000 when I was on the same grids as him he just became a dot in the distance.
He has been a New Era Sound of Thunder champion and could so easily have been European champion.
I know a few racers that are leagues ahead of me who could give Geoff a good race, but none are in DD although a couple are in the DSC and race a Ducati.
Good thing about having the likes of Geoff out there is it gets others to raise their game and move them a step closer.

Now I will go back and ready the other replies that I skipped over

Bear in mind that im having intensive training at almeria in readyness for the season!..............




















still wont be quick enough though!











But i will win the over 50,s cup though:lol::lol::lol:
Butch

I'm on my third visit to California again in two weeks ... these two week courses out there are great for getting upto speed ... ;)

Bang on. Having Geoff in the championship is far better for the riders than it is for the spectators.

He went out of his way last year to help me learn Cadwell, and lots of lines on other circuits, and having him so far ahead really does help drag you along. By the end of last season I was carrying cornerspeeds I never dreamt possible at the beginning, and had dropped my Cadwell lap time by 10 secs. Most of that came by hanging on to the coat tails of Clint, Mike, Phil, Ian, etc, and from watching GS.

If he wants to stay and hit us with a big stick for another year then fair enough. I'd much rather have someone right at the front to try catching than be in his situation and be constantly fending off attacks. :D

the only time Andy #36 came close was his only ride on the Tango at Brands, same placings as Dom got at Cadwell.
Made me wish we had started the season off with tango...

Note for 2006, must try harder:)

watch this space :)

That's exactly how I see things :)
Thanks for writing that down for me, I couldn't have done it so well :lol:

I think Andy and Dom have the best chance to challenge for the top spot.....

Thats if they start on the right bike at race 1....




[Edited on 10-2-2006 by fil2]

Can we go race yet?????

I'm bored with this ****!!!

Nope.. you can wait.... and answer the Qn while you're here.

'course I can - It's myself I have trouble beating!!!