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Okay,if the website can stay working long enough can anyone help with advice on the following.

1.Gearing. Need new chain and sprockets.Suggestions please regarding standard front and how many rears,stick with standard, change it every round etc.

2.Braided brake lines. Anyone got a good deal anywhere.


3 Tyres. Pirelli Diablo but what speed rating is required by the regs.Beleive the choice is noted by R17 or ZR17 for over 130 mph.My bike will do this i,m sure[ especially if it does not lie down and give in to being built nicely ]when i send it off the nearest cliff :devil:

4 Oil catch trays. Where do the available trays fix to on the engine / fairing.Does anyone have any pics.


Right, thanks alot i,m off to hit the bike with my fcuk off big hammer now to show it who,s boss:lol:

1.Gearing. Need new chain and sprockets.Suggestions please regarding standard front and how many rears,stick with standard, change it every round etc.

I ran a 14 for most rounds last year, and made do with 3 rears, a 41, 43 and 44. (1996 600SS)

2.Braided brake lines. Anyone got a good deal anywhere.

Sorry, can't help. Fleabay usually.

3 Tyres. Pirelli Diablo but what speed rating is required by the regs.Beleive the choice is noted by R17 or ZR17 for over 130 mph.My bike will do this i,m sure[ especially if it does not lie down and give in to being built nicely ]when i send it off the nearest cliff :devil:

As long as they've got Diablo on the side (and no Corsa markings....) then buy 'em.

4 Oil catch trays. Where do the available trays fix to on the engine / fairing.Does anyone have any pics.

The SS bellypan I had fixed to the fairing using the wellnuts.

Good luck,

Ali

When was that rule brought in? :lol:

Dom, I thought you pencilled that one out!:lol:

Griff, cant advise on gearing unless we know what bike you have/engine too.
There is different primary drive ratios for the 583, depending on whether pre 98 or post 98.
For 583 monster (2000) we run most of the time on 14/45.

Brake lines? - wot Ali said, but why are you changing them? - and dont forget the front ones have to split above the bottom yoke. (dont get 916 ones, as the wont pass scrut, as they split below the bottom yoke)


:)

HI Ak and Ck

Bike is a 95 600ss running in 583.

Changing the brake lines as they are the original rubber ones and i thought they needed to be braided.Going to try single disc brake to start with at least.

My exhaust system cut up a treat thanks .I will try and post a picture soon.

After skids posted his gearing chart I did a bit of work to simplify mine and merge it with his ... see if this makes any sense, and let me know if it helps ...
pchweb.co.uk/desmodue/duc gearing (skids).xls

If it works, and anyone wants to contribute some data, just shout.

(If anyone has any other useful dd-docs that arnt too big, I can post them there too)

I've always used 2 long lines - direct from the master cylinder to each caliper - no splitting required.

Too fiddly to split lines and find somewhere to tidy it all away.

Also if you have 2 long lines, it's easy to take one away (and a caliper and disc) should you feel that way inclined - takes all sorts don't it!

I should just like to add...

That's the way I would do it, if I didn't have a pit bitch called Chass :lol:

By the way we're sponsored by somebody who does Goodridge, and I thoroughly recommend that you buy some (although I hear HEL are good too)

Think that keeps everyone happy :D

Dom, thats exactly what we have done on the Snot - 2 lines.

Griff, the lines dont have to be braided, they just give a stronger feel, as they are a stronger pipe.
Mark at MHP uses std rubber ones on his R6.

C:)

Thanks everyone so far

Ali, do you mean the catch tray was drilled in the bottom inline with the fairing nuts and it all sandwiched together.

Can you confirm standard gearing is 15/46,mines a early bike.

Don,t shout at once but on my 900ss road bike the gearing was vastly improved by going up 3 teeth on the back so lowering the gearing/making it shorter.
So everyone is making the gearing longer to race by reducing the back cog for the track,because...................the lighter bike/power to weight means it can pull more?

:puzzled:

This time last year Brancatto Engineering were making a custom built Bellypan/Catch-tray to fit to the 600SS, these contained well nuts that the fairing panels bolted to instead of using the original metal straps to bolt the fairing together underneath.

My Bike although a 600SS has a Monster 600 Engine in it and I found the taller gearing worked best for me 15/42, I did try Lower gearing at most circuits first but with limited practice time I often settled on what I knew would work for me and my riding style.

Brake lines, I get all the bits from Race Parts UK, works out about £11 a line with the discount they give me.
A cheap alternative is a brake line off a RSV Aprilia, very similar to that of a 996 but it T's off at the top end along the centre line of the bottom yoke, so if routed correctly doesn't fall foul of the ACU rule book

Dom call me a bitch & your fired:flame:

Domy's in the dodo :o

Will it wouldn't be the Dojo unless they apply that name to the Sumo training schools also. :P

1.Gearing. Need new chain and sprockets.Suggestions please regarding standard front and how many rears,stick with standard, change it every round etc.

I going to ran a 14 standard, and 3 rears, a 41, 43 and 45. (1994 600SS)

2.Braided brake lines. Anyone got a good deal anywhere.

got propper ones for my bike for £55 from westerbys just down road from me he orded them in for me so should get same deal at any shop (thats for both) p.s. get some drake fluid that will run at very high temp , higher the better

3 Tyres. Pirelli Diablo but what speed rating is required by the regs.Beleive the choice is noted by R17 or ZR17 for over 130 mph.My bike will do this i,m sure[ especially if it does not lie down and give in to being built nicely ]when i send it off the nearest cliff

As long as they've got Diablo on the side (and no Corsa markings....)

4 Oil catch trays. Where do the available trays fix to on the engine / fairing.Does anyone have any pics.

got mine from mad compersites hes very good and fit very nice. but dont for get to put a hole in it that can be pluged and taken out for wet races. u2u me for details

any thing i can help you with just u2u me and ill try to help

After talking to Senna3 earlier and discussing his bikes lack of speed at Assen we noted down the number of his engine the one that came from his wifes 1994 600 Monster, we came to the conclusion that it is one of the real early engines running the 32/73 primary drive gearing and is therefore a lot differnt to what he was running last year.
Last year Kev used a 14T front with a combination of rears, well this year I think the 14T should be swapped for a 16T and used alongside the standard 15T and the rear sprockets he already has.

As such I have updated the gearing chart for class B bikes as it may be of use to others especially as it looks like we could soon have a few more Class B bikes joining in the FUN.

Now to find out hopw to upload an Excel attachment

Hopefully a PDF will work

This gearing thing is interesting...

I've decided to keep it simple and run all season with 15/40. - '94 600ss

My bike was fast as **** at Cadwell and Assen with this gearing. Other factors do affect it though. I was pulling 9500k in top on Saturday at Assen then only 8000k on the same section into the wind on Sunday.

If it tops out to early get lower gearing.

Not sure people should be messing to much with this....just ride the nuts of the thing!!

Chris 9500 rpm???

What do you 583 guys rev them too, I found on a breif run on the 583 that its runs out after 8000??

Andy

sure does....but they rev to 9500 and u need that over rev at times.....but you go well ahead and stop once you hit 8000.....

heheh

Phil

Good update on the gearing chart Kev,but how come the speeds at 8000 rpm have gone up from your original chart!

The thought of 4mph extra maybe more than i can handle.

To kind to the bike to rev it over 9000rpm and on mine the power plummets anyway.I beleive altering the cam timing will let them rev more or for longer but not sure if its worth it.8500 in 4th and into 5th seems to work for me.

I,ve tried Skids gearing so far to be spot on for me[Later 600ss]. Thanks Kev

On later models (post 1995) 15/41 is the standard 600SS gearing and 15/43 is standard for a Monster. I usually go for 15/42 with the ability to go one tooth either way on the back sprocket, depending on what conditions are like and how long the straights are on the track.
Through the box I shift just after the needle has passed 8k and in top it gets reved as far as I can get it to go.

As for Andys PM asking about sump plugs
On the DD bike I have a standard one that I drilled for the lockwire and on the Minitwin I have a Tecmoto one

Other than Moto2 I don't know who else does sump plugs suitable for lock wiring

Could be even kinder and change at 7500, but thats not me, if they rev to 15k, then I'll have some of that!!!!

Andy

Andrew the original speeds were based on Phil_h's Calculations, I just tweeked it so that at max power (8000rpm) my bike on standard road gearing (15/41) would be doing 120mph as it makes things easier for me to work out. This way every 1000rpm = 15mph which seems about right according to the speedo

good man..................u will fit right at home in 583 ..and see you at nellys for an engine rebuild at season end ..LOL


Phil

They do Andy but only once

The 583ss of mine is currently on 15/40 and I have a 41.

Should I be running the 14t front as its the later model? My first outing will be Oulton which lower gearing suited my R1.

Andy

Andy

To back what chris woods said..you just got to get on them and ride them!...none of us have ridden the 583's at oulton yet and the track day we have there will be a good time to try out the gearing...although i ran the same gearing at Assen and BH..which suprised me......so at oulton im not changing it..the 583 deffo struggle to pull the tall gearing ..well mine does....

start it....thrash it..ride it..and get over the line......

Phil

I change at up at 8k through the gears then hold top...so if I get 9500 it means it's along straight....Assenesque....

Try to think 250 2stroke, you'll be fine.

Oulton is meant to be fast...so I'm leaving it.