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JAS749 19-Feb-2006 17:59

dremmel??
 
decided i'd get one whilst at b&q (the only place i could get a t7!ref last thread) now i know carbon749 tackled this on carbon clutch cover and i wish to do the same but where do i start??do i cut from inside outwards or outwards in..:puzzled:

[Edited on 26-2-2006 by JAS749]

[Edited on 26-2-2006 by JAS749]

Carbon749 19-Feb-2006 18:04

outwards in .... if it spelches then it should be on the inside and not seen.

Sharp tool, fast as possible and do not force it ... let the tool do the cutting.

Don't let it get too hot as you will "burn" the resin and leave the cut line discoloured.

Best thing to do is work out which piece you will cut out / off and then practice on the bit that will become scrap before going for the proper cut.

All that said, don't be put off ... it is easy to do.

JAS749 19-Feb-2006 18:15

carbon749..am i fine it do it in a well ventilated room or you suggest mask up and do it out doors..thanks for your pearls of wisdom mate:D

Carbon749 19-Feb-2006 18:18

Depends how much you plan to do. Small amount (clutch cover) ok in garage, anything larger would be best done outdoors.

Try not to breath too much of the dust in, plus the dust is black and can be messy so don't do it in the front room.

Rushjob 19-Feb-2006 21:04

Warning!
The cutting will involve partially burning the fibre.
The smoke produced when carbon fibre burns is Carcinogenic.
Ask me how I know....
I went to a helicopter crash where it had subsequently gone up in smoke... Following a call from the Fire Service after they had taken advice from the CAA I then had to go to see the mechanic who had bravely rescued two from the airframe and take him to the hospital to get him x-rayed to ensure that his lungs were clear.
If you are doing this wear a mask & do it out of doors.

The bit in italics is a lift from a report on the hazards caused by burning composite materials including carbon fibre...


In general, hazards to equipment seems to be less than originally expected. Hazards to personnel have not been well studied, but seem to be significant.

Unfortunately, there is no consistent set of guidelines for dealing with mishaps involving composite materials. The ACPO report provides some general guidelines, but it is intended to be used with other documents. Universal guidelines are not possible, because of the widely varying conditions under which accidents can occur, but more research will still be useful.

The report contains three checklists for response, containment, and clean-up actions. The first three items on the respons echecklist are emphasized:

Minimize unnecessary personnel; only firefighters with Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) should be in the immediate vicinity.
All unprotected personnel should avoid the downwind area of the crash site.
Areas affected by dense smoke should be evacuated, including the removal of mobile, critical equipment.


[Edited on 19-2-2006 by Rushjob]

Rally 19-Feb-2006 23:56

Plus the dust can give you silicosis. Best wear a mask, huh! ;)

Davieravie 20-Feb-2006 00:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Rushjob
Warning!
The cutting will involve partially burning the fibre.
The smoke produced when carbon fibre burns is Carcinogenic.
Ask me how I know....
I went to a helicopter crash where it had subsequently gone up in smoke... Following a call from the Fire Service after they had taken advice from the CAA I then had to go to see the mechanic who had bravely rescued two from the airframe and take him to the hospital to get him x-rayed to ensure that his lungs were clear.
If you are doing this wear a mask & do it out of doors.

The bit in italics is a lift from a report on the hazards caused by burning composite materials including carbon fibre...


In general, hazards to equipment seems to be less than originally expected. Hazards to personnel have not been well studied, but seem to be significant.

Unfortunately, there is no consistent set of guidelines for dealing with mishaps involving composite materials. The ACPO report provides some general guidelines, but it is intended to be used with other documents. Universal guidelines are not possible, because of the widely varying conditions under which accidents can occur, but more research will still be useful.

The report contains three checklists for response, containment, and clean-up actions. The first three items on the respons echecklist are emphasized:

Minimize unnecessary personnel; only firefighters with Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) should be in the immediate vicinity.
All unprotected personnel should avoid the downwind area of the crash site.
Areas affected by dense smoke should be evacuated, including the removal of mobile, critical equipment.


[Edited on 19-2-2006 by Rushjob]

Interesting....

Everything has a cancer risk...even washing up liquid....smoking(2nd hand)

I was in the RAF and knew a lot of the Mountain Rescue Team members at RAF Kinloss. Theyre job is to primarily rescue downed pilots/aircrew but what they do most of the time is rescue stupid tourists from mountains here in Scotland

I dont think they worry about the carbon fibre deposits much when they arrive on an accident scene though......much more about the arms and legs and heads.....;)

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 12:45

all done:D

[Edited on 26-2-2006 by JAS749]

The Big Red One 26-Feb-2006 13:24

Looks good. Now just replace them rusty springs with stainless ones job done

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 13:59

will do watch this space;)

KeefyB 26-Feb-2006 16:42

Hmm,clutch cover is not my cup of char,but each to their own.
You could always whip the springs off and soak them in WD40.Wipe off the excess and you have some nice dark grey,rustless springs.

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 22:28

if anyones got a set of springs they want to be relieved of then im ya man;)

Carbon749 26-Feb-2006 22:31

Take them off, quick rub with scotch bright and a coat of satin black spray. Cost about £1.99 for the paint.

Above also works well on the clutch springs :D

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 22:34

are they easy enough to take off, is there torque settings that have to be adhered to when placing back on carbon749

yeti 26-Feb-2006 22:39

Hate to rain on your parade Jas, but I really would not want to drop the bike with that clutch cover. It's gonna take out your spring posts for sure and that will cost you a whole shed load more than a cover!

Why don't you do to your original tin cover what you've done to the carbon cover then paint it black. Would give your clutch a whole heap more protection in an off.

Carbon749 26-Feb-2006 22:46

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Originally posted by JAS749
are they easy enough to take off, is there torque settings that have to be adhered to when placing back on carbon749

Sure there is a torque setting and someone who is clever will be able to tell you.

I did mine 2 at a time taking of the opposite springs. Bolts don't seem too tight, I just nipped my bolts back up and then checked them after first decent ride out.

yeti 26-Feb-2006 22:47

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Originally posted by Carbon749
Quote:

Originally posted by JAS749
are they easy enough to take off, is there torque settings that have to be adhered to when placing back on carbon749

Sure there is a torque setting and someone who is clever will be able to tell you.

I did mine 2 at a time taking of the opposite springs. Bolts don't seem too tight, I just nipped my bolts back up and then checked them after first decent ride out.

I'd second that.

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 22:55

Quote:

Originally posted by yeti
Hate to rain on your parade Jas, but I really would not want to drop the bike with that clutch cover. It's gonna take out your spring posts for sure and that will cost you a whole shed load more than a cover!

Why don't you do to your original tin cover what you've done to the carbon cover then paint it black. Would give your clutch a whole heap more protection in an off.
point taken i havent decided whether to keep it on at the mo.i really like the dp black clutch cover to match my sprocket cover but at £210 i cant justify it at the minute

yeti 26-Feb-2006 22:57

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Originally posted by JAS749
Quote:

Originally posted by yeti
Hate to rain on your parade Jas, but I really would not want to drop the bike with that clutch cover. It's gonna take out your spring posts for sure and that will cost you a whole shed load more than a cover!

Why don't you do to your original tin cover what you've done to the carbon cover then paint it black. Would give your clutch a whole heap more protection in an off.
point taken i havent decided whether to keep it on at the mo.i really like the dp black clutch cover to match my sprocket cover but at £210 i cant justify it at the minute

Mail me a pic of the clutch cover you fancy, might be able to have your original machined and painted. email on my profile

The Big Red One 26-Feb-2006 23:00

tec moto do one the same as the Ducati item 99 pound i think

Carbon749 26-Feb-2006 23:01

Quote:

Originally posted by JAS749
Quote:

Originally posted by yeti
Hate to rain on your parade Jas, but I really would not want to drop the bike with that clutch cover. It's gonna take out your spring posts for sure and that will cost you a whole shed load more than a cover!

Why don't you do to your original tin cover what you've done to the carbon cover then paint it black. Would give your clutch a whole heap more protection in an off.
point taken i havent decided whether to keep it on at the mo.i really like the dp black clutch cover to match my sprocket cover but at £210 i cant justify it at the minute


Mmmmm. I have the same modified clutch cover set up. My thought is that if you are going to bin it on the left hard enough to wreck the clutch then you will probably damage quite a few other parts as well. Just add it to the repair bill if it should happen.

yeti 26-Feb-2006 23:05

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Originally posted by Carbon749
Quote:

Originally posted by JAS749
Quote:

Originally posted by yeti
Hate to rain on your parade Jas, but I really would not want to drop the bike with that clutch cover. It's gonna take out your spring posts for sure and that will cost you a whole shed load more than a cover!

Why don't you do to your original tin cover what you've done to the carbon cover then paint it black. Would give your clutch a whole heap more protection in an off.
point taken i havent decided whether to keep it on at the mo.i really like the dp black clutch cover to match my sprocket cover but at £210 i cant justify it at the minute


Mmmmm. I have the same modified clutch cover set up. My thought is that if you are going to bin it on the left hard enough to wreck the clutch then you will probably damage quite a few other parts as well. Just add it to the repair bill if it should happen.

Not so! I have seen the slightest of spills wreck the clutch posts without doing much damage to the rest of the bike (ask Loz), and I have seen bikes totally trashed on the right hand side but the clutch has survived cos it had a half decent cover. If you MUST have a carbon cover, then use a genuine Ducati Corse cover, they are very tough - as my lowside today can attest. Failing that simply machine some holes in the standard tin item and paint to suit.

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 23:10

Mail me a pic of the clutch cover you fancy, might be able to have your original machined and painted. email on my profile [/quote] you have mail

JAS749 26-Feb-2006 23:11

Quote:

Originally posted by The Big Red One
tec moto do one the same as the Ducati item 99 pound i think
is it this one????

The Big Red One 26-Feb-2006 23:18

This is my one Ducati item but Tec Moto do one the same for £99. Black or Silver i think.

yeti 26-Feb-2006 23:21

This is my original 996S cover:

http://www.jlawson.com/996/images/2353.jpg


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