The quest for more horses over winter... thoughts ?
 

Well i want some more horses for no real particular reason other than, why the hell not...

Just debating the way to get the best valuse for money both long and short term

The concept of throwing a new lump in there is a good one... but then i lose some of the sale value because my engine and frame don't match ?

not a fan of fannying about dropping engines in etc. imho you've just got to get the best you can with your particular model with the 'usual' mods, cans, pc111 etc. when you then feels you need more then its time to save up for a trade up.
whats yours a 916? dont know what yours has but mine was about 107 just with cans.

sorry didnt see the poll.

yeah you'll notice a difference if you even trade up to a 996.

i noticed a difference when i went from my 107hp 916 to my 146hp 999 thats for sure.

[Edited on 11-4-2006 by dickieducati]

Hello weeksy2

As it looks like you have thought about possible loss of money, would suggest you are not thinking of keeping the bike long term, up you go to a 996 then get it tuned.;)

thats my tupence worth,

regards


TopiToo

that's where i'm struggling mate... If i don't/can't afford to go down the swap route, i don't see me selling the bike for a long old time....

But it's a question of where to draw the line. Like most 916 riders i aspire to a 996R etc... you know, something pretty beyond words. Mine is OK currently, but far from perfect. The problem is, do i live with my imperfections, or raise some funds and trade up.....

Come winter time, if i don't sell or swap engine, then my engine has to come out and be blasted and painted as it looks a bit crappy..... but that's more money isn't it... more money i could throw at a nice 996 instead LOL

If you really want more from the engine then I would go the 996 route. There is a engine on Ebay at the moment (Aylesbury)starting at £800 with a Buy it now a few hundred quid higher. Selling your 916 engine on should get between £600 and £800 I would have thought so its a fairly cheap and reliable way to get the extra power/torque.
I went from the 916 to 996 last year and the extra grunt is certainly noticable

Weeksy,

I'm thinking the same as yourself, I've got a 916 and very happy with it I am, but would like just a few more ponies. The reason I own the bike, is.... (I'm justifying this to my wife and soon to be born).......it is an original 916, a bike that changed a generation, yes the later bikes were evolutions of the original, and probably much better for it, but I own the original (although it now looks far from standard/original). What I want is for this bike to be as good as it can be for a decent outlay

Wondered along the lines of a 955 re-bore, dialled cams, sps cam, 52mm exhaust throughout,......didn't think a power commander was an option for the 916...

How much power is enough?

I know it frustrates me when on track to get swallowed on the straights up by the 'bigger boys', only to catch them in the corners.

So far i've got the ITG / JHP maxflow air filter, 45mm slip-on carbon termi's, cams dialled and pirelli supercorsas.....where next for a few cheap, reliable horses???

oh, and lashings of carbon - air runners, airbox, tail unit, hugger, etc, etc...

:biaggi:

Jas

[Edited on 11-4-2006 by hooley]

what about the engine/frame differences from a V5 perspective mate ? doesn't worry you ?

Just fill in the change of CC and new engine number on the logbook if you go the 996 route or just the cc if doing a bigbore job. Insurance wise its probably easier to go the 996 engine route and insure it as a 996.

The other option is to lighten the bike, but magnessium parts cost, although you can get a pair of wheels for around £500, but that sort of money plus what you get for a 916 engine will buy you a 996 engine.

Weeksy, sell the 916 now and buy old yellas 998,

He is asking peanuts for that bike.

Ray.

i don't have the 'difference' right now mate... it's more of a winter type thing. i could sell it now and i could persuade him to hold for me... but then i'm without bike for the important time of the year.

SW,

Just had a look and he's sold it.

Back on topic, unless you are very attached to a bike I would always go for the "best" standard bike you can. If you wanna stick with the "classic" shape thats got to be a 998 of some sort, the stretta engine is a leap forward.

Flog yer 916 at the height of the selling season and buy a 998 at the bottom of the season.

Engine swaps are a way forward in some cases but I would always be a bit concerned for re sale. Tuning can get very expensive on a bang for buck level, again resale might be an issue.

Ray

748R..............ultimate road bike m8..........................

forget 996...its not much different to the 916......

;)

Just ask Jim about a part Ex deal

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1999-DUCATI-99...cmd ZViewItem

i did see that one indeed Skids... but Jim is gonna want to offer bottom line... .and i don';t have the £1000 or so needed currently....

Jim may well be a definate option closer to the time though.

Selling mine Ray. Can't sell mine in high season and purchase in low as it means i'm then without bike for the good times... that would not be a happy solution. :(

Weeksey,

Have a chat (if you haven't already) with Chris at CJS/LouigiMoto. He may have some econimical ideas for boosting your horses.

Spin

Sell the 916, buy a 400 and learn how to ride.

Then you'll find that the 916 has plenty of power.

Who needs more than 100bhp on the road?

You're all mad :lol:

I'd put £1000 of somone elses money on the fact that none of you with 130+ bhp can use it properly anyway. If you could you'd be winning TT's and Superbike races.

Pretty much true Dom... however that doesn't stop me having more... whether i can take advantage of it, welll, who cares really. LOL

My engine is very tatty.... i need it sorting... So while it's out the bike getting serivced and blasted would be a good time to get work done...

i do see your point though.

Have you reached the limits of your 916 then?:D

Spoke the man with less than 100 horses!:D;)

Nope... however that never stopped you buying something with 144bhp either fella.

I just want a nice and pristine machine... there are different ways of getting that.

i cant even use the 62 from my DD bike properly.

come to think of it neither can you. :lol::lol::lol:

to be far though, its quite good fun trying to keep hold of 140bhp+ on a country b road.

Steve,

I'm with Kev on this one - buy a 996 motor, sell the 916 motor....not including new clutch.

Get 996 serviced while it's out of the frame and pop it all back together.

Regarding the V5 changes - it's only a swap of engine numbers and cc..what's the big deal?

RX

Dunno Rick, never swapped an engine before... slightly worried about future retail....

So basically we're down to 2 options.

Buy 996 lump and throw in, sell off the 916
or
Buy a 996 and go from there.

my 916 is pretty nice now, but doesn't have Ohlins, Marchesinis etc... does however have 996 forks/calipers and also the slipper.

mmmmm

Weeksy, just ride the thing ...

i do, and have been... i've been out 5 times in last 8 days....

anything constructive ?

yeah, i voted to leave it as it is .... I don't believe a 2% or 3% increase is worth the cost or the hassle ......

if you want a substantial improvement then you need to get a 996 / 998

Cool ;)

I know why you want more power, and I may feel the same, but realistically it's money wasted isn't it?

Take yourself on holiday for 2 weeks instead :cool:

it's not just the power .... it's the engine casing.... it's crappy on my bike... while the engine has to come out for that to be sorted... would make sense to get more done too... either in the form of a new engine of the tuning...

Tuning has been ruled out now...

so it's either the 996 or the new bigger lump

Lightweight wheels - indistinguishable from having more engine torque (and consequently horsepower) output. Improved handling is a bonus.

spend on the 916, you know the bike so you won't be buying other peoples problems.

The wheels seem to be a good starting point.

Skimmed heads ?

Or just be happy that you've got one:burn:

a good and valid point indeedy mate...

A titanium this, an irridium that, a carbon wotsit.

Just have another look at your bike and you'll realise it's great the way it is, I see you have black wheels, even better.

My mates with the jap bikes are always "making thier bikes individual" and ending up with the same stuff as everyone else.

"the k6 has more power" so fu77ing what.

'had' black wheels mate... i wanted standard... the black simply didn't do it ffor me with the gold frame... i had the black on my last one with black frame... i liked that... but not with the gold frame :)

I think it's better to spend money on the one you have.
unless you go for the 916sps engine or the 996/998R engine
the 996 just isn't enough of a difference for the money.
Even with 50mms and a full Monty pro twins tune.
Resale of what? there not worth that much now are they.
It's crazy to look for power from Dukes on a limited budget.
just buy an old R1 for that. Drop the engine and get the cases sorted and leave it at that. Add bits to it when you can.
My one is a mongrel but it's my mongrel and I like it.

Find a 999 engine and get the best of all worlds. Best looks and top snot motor. I only wish I'd waited and found one for the 888.

PS. the 996 swap might involve loom, reg and ECU depending on what's fitted at present and what age of 996 you find. Later 996 had singe ignition pik up and 3 phase genny. has youre got a P8 (big square ECU) and t yellow wires to the reg?

Rgds, Rob

Why did you want standard wheels........but are wanting to alter the engine?:puzzled:

oh yeah..its 148bhp........soon to go over the 150 me thinks!:P

Quote:"more horses over winter":quote

But it's not even summer yet

weeksey...
the best thing to do is decide on a budget....
then find out what you can get for that budget wether it involves turning the 916 engine into a blue printed hi comp 985cc or fitting a secondhand 996 engine from a crashed bike...

Financial reasons... i'd love a set of gold MAg 5 spokes, but the black ones were 3's and so are the gold. It was purely for looks reasons.

decisions decisions...