daylight MOTs for Roche replica replicas
 

hi all

have been away for a while hence no postings for ages. Have recently had some time to sort out 888 which now looks great with new transfers (thanks Nat!) and black wheels (i am one of the many who prefer them to gold). Jasper: hope the suspension part is of some use as a spare if nothing else- so sorry about long delay.

onto the subject of the thread:

for all those out there who love the pure race looks of the 888 corsas- and after much discussion with friends on the (controversial) subject of riding road legal race replicas on the road - i found an interesting website that confirms rules on motorbike MOTs.

www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual

it confirms that if not fitted (or if masked over) you do not need lights, direction indicators or even a brake light for your bike to pass an MOT and be road legal. your MOT would be issued with an advisory note recording that the bike can only be used in daylight.

i think that i am right in saying that www.ricambi-weiss.de still produces 888 race fairings - has anyone had any dealings with them recently?

Durham Plod have advised me that I'll still need to fit a brake light, the rest of it can be (and is going to be) redundant
:devil:

I bought loads off him last year (kept crashing!) without fuss. He occaisionally needed a prod to get an order moving, but most of the stuff arrived within ten days. Pretty cheap too, but the quality isn't too great.

Better quality, but more expensive, are these guys:

http://www.esprit-racing.com/part/mtmp.htm

you'll need to speak a little franglais and pay in euros.

Good luck,

Ali

Just wondered where you went for the info from Durham?? so I can go to my MOT station with some ammo:D

pretty sure the MOT web site link listed in start of thread topic is quoting from 'The Motorcycle and Side Car Testers Manual'. para 1.1 relates to Front and Rear Position lamps; 1.2 relates to headlights; 1.3 to stoplamps and 1.5 to direction indicators. I pressume that this is the manual that MOT testers go by and that they will, therefore, have a copy of it - can anyone confirm that this is the manual that lays down the law for MOTs?

Neil

Hope you got that in writing:D

Dan

It might save you a fine off the boys in blue if you do a search on the sporting club message board for 'daylight mot'


Phil

couple of dealers have offered me a daytime MOT -Kawasaki Newcastle, M&S. I asked the BiB at the last Durham bike open day (Police run it regularly), don't remember who I spoke to but it was a traffic bike guy.
cheers

Neil

I think that unless you have a letter from your local force stating that the machine is legal without lights then a police officer can use his discretion and report you.

At the end of the day all he has to say is that in his opinion the road conditions dictated that a dipped headlight should have been used and you didn't have one fitted, so you were therefore a danger to yourself and other road users.

I ran a ducati years ago with a daytime mot but I certainly wouldn't chance it now. Too many rules and regulations.

:D:D

Hi,i may be wronge,but i think you need an audible meens of warning a horn and after '85 the brake light must work off both the front +back brake levers,the rest can't be failed if not fitted.This was told to me by a ministry tester some years ago. Steve R. Cornwall P.S. The old type bulb type is no longer legal (toot toot=no good shame!) p.p.s termi's don't count.

yes - a horn is a must and is being fitted, spoke to the local testing station today and they stated that if they tested it then a note would be placed on the MOT stating Daytime use only...
Phl your'e perfectly correct if it's overcast, miserable or I get caught out then I can be pink ticketed at the very least - but then again I don't intend to be out on the bike at any other time than summer days and long summer nights & it certainly won't be seeing any rain - unless I'm caught out and have no option but to ride...Saying all of this though I'm planning to ride her to the IOM for the TT hmmmm should be a good test of all of the comments made up to now...
I'm also leaving the facility to take power off the loom for the lighting circuit - just in case :D

I ran my RC30 on a daytime MOT a year or so ago, because I couldnt get the projector headlight to point in the right direction - I think I had it aimed at my cheesy grin - I just took some gaffer tape to it and was given the ticket - I understand that a brake light and non bulb horn are requirements - I did think that the bulb horn that I had fitted was tremendous but I had to take it off because I couldnt stop parping it at every opportunity

Neil

Don't worry about the I.O.M. you'll get away with anything there....except speeding....a big no no.

I'm jealous of your trip though.

Where are you sailing from?

Phil

Sail out of heysham on Sat 3rd, ferry leaves at 1.45pm. If it's near you, could meet up for a cuppa if ya fancy :D
You mention speeding in the IOM, I've noticed that there is a huge DoT push to have an island wide 60mph limit imposed prior to the TT and that this limit would then stay in place as per the mainland - damned shame.
DoT stats claim 39 RTA fatalities on the Island (12 month period) but there is no other data to show how these link to road & weather conditions, age of those involved, roadworthiness of vehicles. or whether they were pedestrian step outs etc - so it's the usual clap trap of 'speed kills' being peddled once again with little data being publicised to be looked at by us normal types...
cheers

Neil

Even if you have a daylight MOT you still have to comply with Contruction and Use regulations which basically say that if you bike left the factory with lights, indicators etc they must still be fitted and in full working order.

well that's damped the whole topic down some !!
damned regulations...I'll cross the bridge when I get to it and report back in a couple weeks time...

as said before about MOT's being worthless ?
then why do police give out vehicle rectification notices.
tested by MOT stations
and the DVLA still say you don't need lights.
like some others. I'll take my chances.

Daytime MOT
 

Thought I'd post up on this old chestnut again, as it's that time of year.
Just had my bike through it's MOT on Saturday, took it along to the test station and was immediately told it would fail if I didn't tape up my brake light !!!!
Taped up the brake light and he tested the horn and speedo etc and it now has an MOT, albeit issued with 2 advisory notes:

1 Exhaust Noisy
2 Vehicle presented for test in daylight trim

Exhaust Noisy - not a bad observation for a full termi spag system - eeek....

I discussed construction and use regs and he commented that it wouldn't matter if the bike was just 3 years old - if it was presented without Head light, Tail light, Brake Light & Indicators, but had a working horn (not bulb type) and Speedo / ODO then according to current regs it would pass with the 'daylight trim' advisory note...

Neat info - apparently the traffic chaps can't ticket you at all, well they can give you a producer, but so long as you are out & home between posted daytime hours then you cannot be prosecuted.

I was shocked by the brake light thing as I didn't expect to have to tape it up to pass the MOT, needless to say I think it's a good safety device and promptly removed the tape when I'd been issued my certificate...

Now looking forward to some decent weather !
cheers


Neil

Dan, been a while gaining the experience to allow an 'educated & enlightened' response but I can now tell you that yes the MOT testers manual lays down the law for MOT's - the chap I went too specifically mentioned section 1, he states that this is the bible in the eyes of the law and definitely over rides anything that an unfamiliar Police Officer may attempt to lay on you.
If anybody in the County Durham area is looking for a good guy that knows his eggs & regs then I'd recommend SNC in Darlington.
cheers

Neil

I´m coming back to uk. In Germany if the bike isn´t in original production state or you parts fitted that have not be certified by the German MOT then you don´t get a cert. Tyres have to be the original spec that the log book states mirrors, lights have to be fitted, brake lines must be certified. Race cans are an
absolute no and emmission tests are mandatory. It absolutely amazes me what you guys get away with.

Regards

Steve

P.S I suppose the non speed limit on motorways makes up for a lot

Neil, interesting that they told you to tape up the brakelight-I have been told that a stoplight and continuously sounding horn were the only requirements. Needless to say if they tell me to tape it up to pass that tape will becoming off straight afterwards.

Cut and pasted from the MOT UK site:
This inspection applies to; all machines except those which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or has such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are (see 1.1).

Exemptions
For this test if a stop lamp is fitted, it must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:

a. cannot exceed 25mph, or
b. was first used before 1 January I936.or
c. was first used before 1 April 1986 and which has an engine capacity of less than 50cc.

Operation
Stop lamps may operate in conjunction with either the front or the rear brake, or both. On machines first used on or after 1 April 1986, the stop lamps must operate by the application of each system.

On machines without a battery or with an insufficiently charged battery, it will be necessary to run the engine.

So I think they were wrong to tell you to tape it.

John

Cheers John, it does look like the MOT chap had his wires crossed doesn't it !
Never mind - I'll still be running mine with the brake light in place.
thanks

Neil

I had exactly the same thing on the DR350. It never came with front lights fitted (as it is the enduro model) and when I took it for the MOT, I was instructed that unless the rear light was taped up, It would be an immediate fail!

Bit of gaffer tape an one minute later...all fine, and pass!

Not quite sure what the piece from Monty is all about, but I was told its basically all or nothing. All lights fitted and working, or no lights, and that included the switch gear also that needed to be either removed or taped up.

The tester was telling me how it is all a bit of a joke, as if you do get stopped by the police and they issue you with some form notice for failure to comply, they will instruct you to take the bike back to be tested at some point (the only locaion that can issue the MOT is the test centre after all, not the police station)...at which point the tester will say all is OK...this has happened at this centre on a couple of occasions already!

Agreed with the above comment though that as soon as I left the test centre, I removed the gaffer tape anyway!

Lets face it, this a totally grey area...your not going to end up doing bird for this! You may get asked for a re-test or something, at which point it is fully documented that the test centre passed you...so whats the problem? The problem is with the contradiction in rules and regs...just use them to do what you wish.

exactly - my take with the Police (if I'm ever stopped) will be that if they want my bike re-testing they can pay for it, after all why the hell should I stump up the £30 or so to have it done when they don't understand the regs ????
BTW all of the switchgear was removed from my bike also.
cheers


Neil